So is Peggy going to come here and tell us what up ??

I doubt it...not everyone goes to every forum and this is one Peggy does not post on. She simply does not post here, as stated already. She has contact info listed if you want to contact her directly and Rita is relaying info as she is getting it straight from her.

I already talk to her but it be better if she man up and come on the post here and GC too and talk to ppl ,then having someone else tell them her story :( It her thing she needs to tell people about not someone else telling us what she said she need to say so people feel better about it :P

OK, well...she can't go to GC for reasons I don't know if she feels like having posted but not sure what to tell you...it's probably not going to happen. If people are uncomfortable with that, they can contact her DIRECTLY.

i would have thought she would have started a thread on GC at least to announce the product or something. i would love to know more but i would have no idea what to ask lol XD and i cant recommend something to a new owner when i know nothing about it.

Again, she can't post on GC.

I agree with Ko - I believe using HPW as part of the name for a new product only magnifies the confusion that has come up lately over the various modifications that are being made to Peggy's original HPW Diet which was based on Wombaroo High Protein Supplement.

She recently asked me to stop suggesting that folks, who were concerned about the low calcium to phosphorus ration of the original HPW Diet, add additional calcium carbonate to the mix to raise the ratio to 2:1. Peggy has stated that she does not think the HPW Diet needs additional calcium. She has said she does not worry about ratios.

So now she has a new product she calls HPW PLUS - which is said to be a new product made in the US and the product now has a 2:1 ratio. It is clear that at least part of her new formulation was to add calcium to the mix. In addition she has introduced yet another new product called HPW COMPLETE.

So was Peggy not concerned about her diet having a 0.96:1 ratio - but has formulated a new product that corrects something she was not concerned about?

In the future, if health issues are observed in someone's gliders and they are asked "what diet do you feed?" and they reply "HPW" We will need to play 20 questions on which HPW variety they are really feeding. HPW Original Recipe, HPW Original with added green juice, HPW Original with applesauce in place of part of the honey, HPW Original recipe with various amounts of green juice substituting for x amount of honey or water, HPW PLUS - with or without green juice, HPW COMPLETE - with or without green juice, Then there are all those personal "Modified HPW" recipes posted on individual breeder's web pages.

What happens when folks misunderstand that Wombaroo High Protein Supplement (that many folks simply call HPW Powder) is not the same as HPW PLUS or HPW COMPLETE? Just more confusion and possible use of the wrong product with the wrong HPW recipe.

How would we NOT be surprised at people being confused by the "HPW Diet?"

As for the issue of price - I actually would expect the price to be higher if she has found a company to do the commercial mixing and packaging of 2 new products with such a relatively small potential sales market. At least I hope these two products are being produced at a commercial facility equipped to safely produce food products.

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<br />I personally think Peggy should have called it something totally different to HPW as everyone associates this with Wombaroo High Protein supplement and <b>it's going to cause a whole lot of confusion but then this might be the intention.</b>

I'm led to believe this is a totally new powder (correct me if I am wrong)that has been developed and not the one that has been fed in australian wildlife for the past twenty years.

Whilst everyone is free to develop their own diets and even powders, I find it more than a little disappointing that Peggy is using the reputation of the Wombaroo powder to sell her own totally unrelated product. She should have definitely given it a name that is different from the one everyone knows.

If I was a glider owner looking at a new powder, I would be asking the hard questions including importantly where the ingredients are sourced. Just because something is made in US doesn't mean the ingredients are local. Hopefully inferior, cheaper costing asian ingredients haven't been sourced as some companies tend to do for a higher profit margin.

I'm also surprised at the cost that has been set. Hey as an Australian I can buy a 5kg bag of wombaroo HPS here for $65. I would have thought that the Americans should have been able to buy a locally made similar product for a similar price over there.
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Ummmmmm, Ko, why in God's name would Peggy ever INTETIONALLY try to cause confusion about the diet? Was that even a serious comment, it was ridiculous....if you know Peggy personally at all (and I do), you would know that she would NEVER set out to be sneaky about something or cause confusion about it....that's a pretty insulting thing to say....Peggy has done so much good for gliders over the years, both health-wise and regarding diets, that it left me dumbfounded that like a comment like that would be made. Questioning the new diet is one thing, Peggy would absolutely answer any questions or concerns people may have, but accusing her of something like that is, quite frankly, stupid.

I agree she said this to me as well that she wasnt worry about the calcium when I ask her and now she made one with calcium , and she dosent say much when I email her . It is weird after people been talking about it now she has made a new one her self , I think the brand calcium would be just find so maybe she ask you to stop telling people that so she could market her new stuff , kind of like took your ideal :(

angelic- its a common marketing practice to use similar names, its not a personal attack. think of the use "i" in front of products (ipod, ipad, idock- 2 of those 3 things are made by one company).

I'm not sure if Rita is online at the moment, but here's her (Peggy's) answer about Silicon Dioxide and I did get her permission to copy and paste:

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Silicon dioxide (SiO2) in food is very important for normal development of bones. Silicon dioxide, also referred as silica, is necessary to maintain healthy skin, hair, and nails. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Here's the answer about artificial flavoring:

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">The flavoring was added for palatability.

You may also want to let them know that *I* did not go into a lab and throw powder together myself...LOL...

I have actually been working with some of the best in their fields in Nutrition and Chemists.

Also, over the next few days I will be working on a full write up on how this came about, why it came about, what my plans are, etc.... just going to take a few days as I do want to be able to answer as many of the emails as I have been getting.

I would also like to point out that I have NOT *stolen* anyones *Trademark* and that statement is just silly. My diet is INITIALS, you let folks know, how do they know it doesnt stand for Heres Peggys Way!!

Bottom line,they are initials, the SAME initials I used when *I* took the Wombaroo High Protein Supplement (those initials are WHPS) to my Vet and asked him to help me with a diet...When someone says what is HPW, people have said for YEARS that is Peggy Brewers Diet... Never have they said oh HPW that is Australias diet.

Its just like Coke and Pepsi, Some like Coke, some like Pepsi, at least now you will have a choice!! And with mine, it wont take 3 months to get here by boat!!<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

I said something about people being bent out of shape about her not posting personally and this is what she says (by the way, she's banned from GC and cannot post there so the suggestion is a moot point):

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Many dont like change, others dont like the fact that *I* was the one who came forward with this, others feel they can do better or mad because they didnt think about it first and others are genuinely curious and have good questions.

Bottom line is just because it is now available doesnt mean people *have* to use it. But they now have the option.

No longer are folks going to have to rely on just one person having enough of something, or having to wait for three months for a boat to come in.

For those who wish to continue feeding what you are currently feeding, I say go for it. For those of you who want to feed the HPW PLUS or HPW COMPLETE I say go for it. Bottom line is this was done to try to help improve the diet field for our sugar gliders. And we, as always, we will always have room for improvement, growth, and each day we will continue to learn something new about gliders.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

I wondering why she was banned when she made a diet like hpw , that seem silly to banned her ?!Make me wonder

There are plenty of people that have gotten banned from GC for reasons that don't make a lot of sense and in my personal opinion, this was one of them. It has absolutely nothing to do with the diet...more of a "personality clash".

o i see

the owner on GC said peggy can come comment on it there if she wish too . ^_^ think she should try telling everyone

Well, maybe she will then. :)

nope she wont just sent me a email lol

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<br />nope she wont just sent me a email lol
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she seems a little stubborn...

Angelmom, I'm not saying that she isn't using a similar name, I just think it was goofy to say that she was using the name to INTENTIONALLY cause confusion about the diet....it's silly....

And in terms of GC, FUNNY that they banned her for a RIDICULOUS reason, yet NOW they want her to come over there to comment on the new diet....hmmmmmm, isn't that interesting....

I talk to Peggy just now and she told me her reason why she made this , I feel better ok I was an ass to say she double face , but hey I can atleast say that when I am wrong

Yay Peggy! I know you have worked very hard on this and I applaud what you have done and can only see good things coming from this in regards to all the diets out there. This is a HUGE step in finding out what IS best for our babies!

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Ummmmmm, Ko, why in God's name would Peggy ever INTETIONALLY try to cause confusion about the diet? Was that even a serious comment, it was ridiculous....if you know Peggy personally at all (and I do), you would know that she would NEVER set out to be sneaky about something or cause confusion about it....that's a pretty insulting thing to say....Peggy has done so much good for gliders over the years, both health-wise and regarding diets, that it left me dumbfounded that like a comment like that would be made. Questioning the new diet is one thing, Peggy would absolutely answer any questions or concerns people may have, but accusing her of something like that is, quite frankly, stupid.
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Wombaroo and HPW have a good reputation and Peggy has gone into this as a commercial venture so naturally it is about making money too. For people to flip over to use the new diet (and yes it is a NEW diet), calling it along the lines of something already doing well, is a smart business move. If Peggy called it a totally different name, people would be more suspicious and not as quick to jump across to the new diet right away. By calling it HPW plus makes people think that they are getting the same diet PLUS a little extra. It is been marketed like that by name alone.

Bottom line it is a business venture and Peggy wants to make a profit. Yes she loves gliders but she has put money on the line for this and obviously she wants to take over US Wombaroo/HPS market with her new powder. Simple.
Do I have a problem with that? No way...good on her but I just feel personally using the HPW name <b>will</b> create confusion and the new powder is utilising Wombaroo's reputation and that was most likely intentional.

I don't have a problem with Peggy at all. The times I have interacted with her , it has been good. She is doing what a business person would do...create a product people want. Doesn't mean though I have to agree with the business principles in this move though.

Ko, I see where you're coming from, but you have to recognize that the way you worded it very much implied that Peggy was deceitfully or sneakily trying to cause confusion about the new diet (and yes I agree with you, it's new). I can't speak for her at all, but the reasoning *I* come up with is that these new diets are PIGGYBACKING off the original diet, with tweaking along the way....the HPW Plus ingredients are very similar to the original HPW recipe for example, so I kinda see the logic in calling the new diets HPW Plus and HPW Complete.

Also (and this isn't directed to you Ko, promise lol), I understand Candy's concern that people might mistake the diets and end up making up the recipe wrong recipe. This is going to sound mean, but honestly, if you can't CAREFULLY read a recipe and distiguish it from the original HPW recipe...that's sad. It is ALWAYS said that it is up to each owner of gliders to READ AND RESEARCH these diets - it's our responsibility at the end of the day to make sure we're feeding the CORRECT diet with the CORRECT ingredients and amounts of those ingredients to our suggies. If someone is CARELESS, and to me that's exactly what they would be, enough to not read the directions thoroughly and make the recipe exactly as it's called for, that's the OWNER'S problem, not Peggy's. It is not hard for me to look at the original recipe, then look at the HPW Plus recipe and the HPW Complete recipe and see they have different names with different recipe make-ups. If I am careless enough to screw it up, that's MY fault for not reading carefully, not Peggy's fauly for naming it what she did.

Regarding the comments that Kryo posted, Peggy's comments are not her own. She's giving an after-the-fact statement that shows that she's ignorant of why silicon dioxide was added in the first place. The answer she gave is an egregiously false statement that she (and many others) simply lifted off the internet with no real backing. Her statement is a verbatim, as in an exact word for word statement, that appears all over various shady websites. Here is a link, see for yourself: bing search

Silicon dioxide is glass. The bones of sugar gliders are not made out of glass.

What she should have said was that it is added as a desiccant. To parrot the first thing she found on the internet is just sad.

And most importantly, that four letter word of a person is associated with the nastiest of mill breeders . Personally, and I mean this with all the vile in my heart, I think people should boycott anything she's associated with.

Those of you with such a major interest in speaking with Peggy on a forum why not join one of the forums she actively participates in where SHE posted her very own threads and has been actively responding to the needs and questions presented to her? At this time she has opened a thread on and SGN. Peggy will not be coming in here to answer questions just as she most likely will not be speaking in the GC thread. She did not make these threads. She has 2 of her own going on the forums she frequents. Several concerns have already been answered by Peggy in her own threads in which you can read directly from her rather then 3rd,4th,5th party.

its not possible for everyone to go to since its a selective forum you cant just register for it like on here and what forum is SGN? the 2 big(commenly used)forums are glider gossip and glider central and nobody has said a word before now about those threads only about the emailing her part.

I am sure I can't be the only one not familiar with either of the forums your spoke of. I imagine she must have her reasons for not posting her on GG or GC. I just think that she would welcome all questions and the opportunity to promote the new recipe to all glider slaves.

Here is my take on everything. I don't understand things very well and a lot of time I need things broken down so I understand them. I have to ask tons of questions and people get irritated because I just don't understand. I think I get whats going on but not sure. I have a great comment for what I think is going on..until I figure out whats going on this is my thought.. IT WOULD BE NICE IS IF PEGGY WOULD COME IN HERE AND EXPLAIN EVERYTHING TO ME SO I KNOW WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON. Until then, I am not going to suggest any of this new crap to anyone until I get an answer straight from her of what it's all about and I wont suggest it to anyone until I get some feed back from well reputable sources. I am not going to go to her about her product if she can't "sell" it to me first. She wants customers.. she needs to step up and present herself and be professional.

If she can come in, I wont even be upset with her.. I will be impressed that she came to talk about her product, herself.

I try she wont cus she dont like the onwer what I got from her email but it silly because we glider lovers should get the info to , but I went on sng didnt really find anything but what on her website and still waiting on them to let me in so I can read what she said , but I talk to her about why she add the calcium , so no worrys about adding the calcium and missing it up , but she dont use it her self ? I give it a try after I run out of my hpw I have now which is alot so I have time to see what people think of her hard work .