I would think if this was really about the gliders, differences could be put aside, and she would open herself up to answer any and all questions we have. I understand I could email her but I would much rather have a conversation in a forum like this. In my opinion the more brains to think up questions to ask the better info. we all get on the product. I personally am not feeling very good about any of this and have no plans on using it at this point in time.

Like you said and I said it silly not to come on all forums and tell everyone about it wither or not you like the forums or owners of it maybe someone can post link for us to see what she said in since we just cant go and see , and I think email to her not the same as dressing the whole forum , but I thank her for emailing me and telling me but , like you said their something I dont think of that other would and so I think be great really sweet of her to give every forum a little of her time not just those other 2 thank you ^_^

I *WAS* a member on , but apparently my account is now inactive. heh.

you have to be approve to be on it why it not like most site you can just join weird ??

I'm not sure. I guess to filter out trolls? They frequently sweep through inactive accounts and remove them if they haven't been active for a certain period of time. The last time I logged in was early to mid January, so my account was switched to inactive and I can no longer log in.

well i dont know why they have it like that they just do. and kuro the reason its inactive now is because you have to post so much or your kicked i would think this would encourage spaming but i guess not. i think you also have to introduce yourself on the forum or your kicked. you have to be a member of that forum or you wont see anything. i have never been a member there only know people who are. i figured out what the other forum was but i couldnt find the thread unless it was the wrong forum. so its great the only one she is posting on is one that we can not see and have to wait to get accepted and other stuff.

right on sugar glider neighborhood really nothing about it other then it out , so I like to se what she saying on and what she said to me is the same .

Kind of sucks for those who are lurkers. I'm only an active member here and I lurk the other forums (GC and and there was another fairly new one I can't think of) except for the other one which I've never heard of.

>_< look on that suck they should let u look to see if you want to join then making you join first thing

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<br />There was only one comment about the name and that's just Kazko being Kazko.

My concern wasn't with the name at all, it was about the contents and the sudden change of contents. How is it that she went from using pee pollen to using none, etc? I'm sure these answer could all be answered by her, herself, but because this is still fairly new and still on a trial basis, of course I am going to be skeptical before switching to this version. As I said, I would like the Australians opinions on this newer version =|
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Based on the Ingredient Statement it looks like bee pollen is in the poweder itself.

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<br />Those of you with such a major interest in speaking with Peggy on a forum why not join one of the forums she actively participates in where SHE posted her very own threads and has been actively responding to the needs and questions presented to her? At this time she has opened a thread on and SGN. Peggy will not be coming in here to answer questions just as she most likely will not be speaking in the GC thread. She did not make these threads. She has 2 of her own going on the forums she frequents. Several concerns have already been answered by Peggy in her own threads in which you can read directly from her rather then 3rd,4th,5th party.
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If Peggy wants to market her product, then it would be best for her to join all forums instead of us having to read about it from 3rd, 4th and even 5th parties.

I so agree Dizzy!

Why all the controversy?? Silicon dioxide is everywhere folks
I found this:

FOOD ADDITIVE DETAILS


Silicon dioxide, amorphous (551)



Synonym(s)
Silica
Functional Classes
Anticaking agent
Search JECFA
Click the above link to search the JECFA database for the specifications of additive(s) with INS No. 551


GSFA Provisions for Silicon dioxide, amorphous
Number
Food Category
Max Level
Notes
01.8.2 Dried whey and whey products, excluding whey cheeses 10,000 mg/kg
11.1.2 Powdered sugar, powdered dextrose 15,000 mg/kg
Note 56

12.1.1 Salt GMP
Note: Unless otherwise specified, food additive provisions apply to the food category indicated (e.g. Dairy), as well as to all subcategories of that category (e.g. Cheese, Ripened Cheese, etc.).


GSFA Table 3 Provisions
Silicon dioxide amorphous is a food additive that is included in Table 3, and as such may be used in the following foods under the conditions of good manufacturing practices (GMP) as outlined in the Preamble of the Codex GSFA. Note that food categories listed in the Annex to Table 3 were excluded accordingly.
Number
Food Category
01.1.2 Dairy-based drinks, flavoured and/or fermented (e.g., chocolate milk, cocoa, eggnog, drinking yoghurt, whey-based drinks)
01.3 Condensed milk and analogues (plain)
01.4.3 Clotted cream (plain)
01.4.4 Cream analogues
01.5 Milk powder and cream powder and powder analogues (plain)
01.6.1 Unripened cheese
01.6.2 Ripened cheese
01.6.4 Processed cheese
01.6.5 Cheese analogues
01.7 Dairy-based desserts (e.g., pudding, fruit or flavoured yoghurt)
01.8.1 Liquid whey and whey products, excluding whey cheeses
02.2.2 Fat spreads, dairy fat spreads and blended spreads
02.3 Fat emulsions mainly of type oil-in-water, including mixed and/or flavoured products based on fat emulsions
02.4 Fat-based desserts excluding dairy-based dessert products of food category 01.7
03.0 Edible ices, including sherbet and sorbet
04.1.2 Processed fruit
04.2.2.2 Dried vegetables (including mushrooms and fungi, roots and tubers, pulses and legumes, and aloe vera), seaweeds, and nuts and seeds
04.2.2.3 Vegetables (including mushrooms and fungi, roots and tubers, pulses and legumes, and aloe vera), and seaweeds in vinegar, oil, brine, or soybean sauce
04.2.2.4 Canned or bottled (pasteurized) or retort pouch vegetables (including mushrooms and fungi, roots and tubers, pulses and legumes, and aloe vera), and seaweeds
04.2.2.5 Vegetable (including mushrooms and fungi, roots and tubers, pulses and legumes, and aloe vera), seaweed, and nut and seed purees and spreads (e.g., peanut butter)
04.2.2.6 Vegetable (including mushrooms and fungi, roots and tubers, pulses and legumes, and aloe vera), seaweed, and nut and seed pulps and preparations (e.g., vegetable desserts and sauces, candied vegetables) other than food category 04.2.2.5
04.2.2.8 Cooked or fried vegetables (including mushrooms and fungi, roots and tubers, pulses and legumes, and aloe vera), and seaweeds
05.0 Confectionery
06.3 Breakfast cereals, including rolled oats
06.4.3 Pre-cooked pastas and noodles and like products
06.5 Cereal and starch based desserts (e.g., rice pudding, tapioca pudding)
06.6 Batters (e.g., for breading or batters for fish or poultry)
06.7 Pre-cooked or processed rice products, including rice cakes (Oriental type only)
06.8 Soybean products (excluding soybean-based seasonings and condiments of food category 12.9)
07.0 Bakery wares
08.2 Processed meat, poultry, and game products in whole pieces or cuts
08.3 Processed comminuted meat, poultry, and game products
08.4 Edible casings (e.g., sausage casings)
09.3 Semi-preserved fish and fish products, including mollusks, crustaceans, and echinoderms
09.4 Fully preserved, including canned or fermented fish and fish products, including mollusks, crustaceans, and echinoderms
10.2.3 Dried and/or heat coagulated egg products
10.3 Preserved eggs, including alkaline, salted, and canned eggs
10.4 Egg-based desserts (e.g., custard)
11.6 Table-top sweeteners, including those containing high-intensity sweeteners
12.2.2 Seasonings and condiments
12.3 Vinegars
12.4 Mustards
12.5 Soups and broths
12.6 Sauces and like products
12.7 Salads (e.g., macaroni salad, potato salad) and sandwich spreads excluding cocoa- and nut-based spreads of food categories 04.2.2.5 and 05.1.3
12.8 Yeast and like products
12.9 Soybean-based seasonings and condiments
12.10 Protein products other than from soybeans
13.3 Dietetic foods intended for special medical purposes (excluding products of food category 13.1)
13.4 Dietetic formulae for slimming purposes and weight reduction
13.5 Dietetic foods (e.g., supplementary foods for dietary use) excluding products of food categories 13.1 - 13.4 and 13.6
13.6 Food supplements
14.1.4 Water-based flavoured drinks, including "sport," "energy," or "electrolyte" drinks and particulated drinks
14.2.1 Beer and malt beverages
14.2.2 Cider and perry
14.2.4 Wines (other than grape)
14.2.5 Mead
14.2.6 Distilled spirituous beverages containing more than 15% alcohol
14.2.7 Aromatized alcoholic beverages (e.g., beer, wine and spirituous cooler-type beverages, low alcoholic refreshers)
15.0 Ready-to-eat savouries
16.0 Composite foods - foods that could not be placed in categories 01 - 15
Note: Unless otherwise specified, food additive provisions apply to the food category indicated (e.g. Dairy), as well as to all subcategories of that category (e.g. Cheese, Ripened Cheese, etc.).

I think it's the opposite....if you as a responsible owner are interested in the product, it's your job as the owner to contact the maker of the product with any questions and research it, not the maker's job to convince you to use it....Peggy is more than willing to answer any questions someone might have, but since it's her product she of course decides where, when, and how she markets it....if she doesn't want to use this forum as a tool for marketing, she really isn't obligated to....and quite frankly, Peggy in my view isn't out to put on this massive marketing show, she put the word out in her own way, and people can either use it or not, that's up to you, but it's always up to her where she wants to put her word out. She isn't really obligated to to tell ANYONE, this is HER diet after all, but she went to a select few places that she chose and was comfortable with to let people know about the news.....it's really not her obligation to post ANYWHERE in all honesty....

For anyone interested, here's the link for SGN:

http://sgneighborhood.forumotion.net/login

I personally don't think it's a big deal that Peggy doesn't post here. Some of the same people saying it is also say they don't want to post or look elsewhere. What's the difference? I think this is being made into a bigger deal than it needs to be. If you're unhappy with it, don't feed it. If you feel like you don't know enough about it, don't feed it. If you're unhappy not hearing from Peggy, you DO have other places to do so. Arguing amongst yourselves about her not being here also won't solve anything. It's just getting a bit redundant.

People post BML questions almost on a daily basis. Does anyone care that Bourbon doesn't post here?

People post HPW questions almost on a daily basis. No one cared Peggy, herself, didn't respond to those before either.

People post questions about Priscilla Price's diet all time. Guess who doesn't post here?

See what I'm saying? IT ISN'T A BIG DEAL.

From my understanding Peggy will profit from this diet. I do not believe any of the others profit from their diets.

This a new diet. So I can't ask anyone here how their gliders are doing on it like I can the other diets.

That is a huge difference between this diet and the others.

I love to research so that's not an issue. I just don't see me being able to find much out there on this diet.

In the end I don't tend to ever even use meds. unless they have been around awhile because what was once FDA approved is soon being pulled for this or that. So I am just going to keep to those same rules when it comes to "new" diets for my babies. Better safe than sorry.

So it seems that someone other than me is using my log in at sgneighborhood.forumotion.net/login

Its not me

Monika

some people's problem is that they dont know what to ask or what to look for to know if its good or bad. i have no idea about diets besides the basic stuff, i leave that to the smart people who understand it. im not switching to this diet but i like to be informed about everything or at least have a source of info for it in case i ever need to know about it. we are going to have to discuss this diet sooner or later like all diets might as well have a thread going to point people to.

So there is no Wombaroo High Protein powder in the new "HPW PLUS & HPW COMPLETE"?

Who is manufacturing this?

No stinking way I'm joining another forum just to read a post.If you have to be approved to just read the information, it's a power trip,no thanks!

Okay, I'm so lost.

http://www.hpwplus.com/faq/faq.htm she has now posted some answers to some questions.

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<br />http://www.hpwplus.com/faq/faq.htm she has now posted some answers to some questions.
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HAHAHAAH

Did she ever say who the manufacturing company is?

I thought the whole point of using Wombaroo powder and bee pollen was to get closer to a wild gliders diet.

This change is sort of a shock to me.

Who is this manufacturing company?

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<br />Hmm, I think I would like the australians opinions first =|
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I agree with Kuro, I think that it can go through all this testing but it would be best to have an Australian wildlife researchers opinion of it out in the open, as well as some sort of marsupial nutritional expert.

I'll sit back, see what happens, examine these test results and hope that these tests are from an animal nutritional expert or have some sort of valid testing which is scholarly.

Thank you for posting Rita, I could have been completely swept away without you informing this forum.

Peggy has not shared the name of the manufacturing company making the new products. She has stated that the product will come with only simple labeling so there will be no fancy packaging.

Unfortunately we could learn more about the product or manufacturer from original packaging.

I am personally not going to try these products until I see her published research or until I have some information on the manufacturer.

I do not buy food products from unknown sources in packages that do not contain any information such as lot number, use by or and expiration date.

I usually purchase Wombaroo High Protein Supplement in original boxes for that reason. I want to know I have a fresh product, not a product that may have gone beyond its expiration date between the time it was been repackaged and the time I purchase it.

Just a disclaimer...I don't know Peggy and I'm not picking any sides, but as a business owner I'm going to say that...
1. Yes, I'm sure she wants to make money from this, BUT most likely she has put tons of her own money into this and is in debt over it.
2. She is not the one who posted on here. "Rita" did. I'm a dog trainer and I have patented dog items and have had people ask why I didn't go on a certain dog site to answer questions about it. Not possible. I post my information on my website and let the owners do their research. I answer questions and emails as best as I can but time just doesn't allow me to answer the same questions over and over or to spend time bopping from forum to forum to answer threads.
3. Just from the amount of discussion on here I would venture to say that she is probably overwhelmed. I've been there and no matter how ready you think you are for a release you never are.

That being said...I'm not making any judgement about the product. I think it's smart to wait and see, but then again...if we are all waiting and seeing who are we going to be waiting and seeing?

Personally, I am going to keep my eye on it and see what comes of it. I don't know how sound her product is but it's up to me to make the decision and do the research for my gliders. I hope that it turns out to be a great product...it would REALLY help those owners who just get in over their heads trying to feed their gliders. I know of many owners that, if given a simpler way to feed would have actually kept their gliders and others who would take their gliders OFF pellets if they had a product like this.
So, maybe it isn't the diet that glider enthusiasts would feed...but maybe it will keep gliders in their homes and off pellets...maybe?

Hello,

No one has called attention to the amount of vitamin A?

-In Wombaroo High Protein Supplement: In 100 grams of product is 0.04 mg of retinol (vitamin A).

-In HPW plus (indicates that there is <b>at least</b> 15% of vitamin A): Then, in 100 grams of product is 15 grams of vitamin A, which would be 15000 mg of vitamin A.


I think there's much difference compared to Wombaroo High Protein Supplement. Moreover, fruits and vegetables we also provide beta-carotene (precursor of vitamin A). I hope it's a mistake to write the information on the website, because vitamin A is a fat soluble vitamin, so it accumulates in the body (are stored in adipose tissue and liver). Toxicity from excess vitamin A has serious health consequences, even death.

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That being said...I'm not making any judgement about the product. I think it's smart to wait and see, but then again...if we are all waiting and seeing who are we going to be waiting and seeing?
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The supposed testing and research that is being done.

This is all I could find about Silicon Dioxide, although I am not a very good researcher and this article is about horses.
http://www.j-evs.com/article/S0737-0806(08)00015-4/abstract

Peggy is giving free samples, but you have to pay shipping- if anyone is interested.
I would get one, but I'm currently skipping my own meals so my girls can eat and have their emergency fund.