@shadow,OmisKg-ma yea.. my dad always gives me allowance so im saving up and play bets with dad.. :3 if he loses he'll have t pay up~ $10 *ive cheated* ~wink~ lool. believe me.. im working on it.

@JeremyLexie oo my dad loves animal so he wont let anything harm her no worries~ hell buy anything like he BUYS EVERYTHIng.sometimes too much lol :3 our family is an animal lover but the wheel there's some problem with it so in the meantime he says well have to wait In the beginning i was over worried in every lil thing and the vet was like laughing and ask me to be calm :3 *blush*

@K.Thompson yea i know. ive said i will not let her go outdoors anymore since many of you are against it. ive always let her play in my room for few hours just was thinking i have no wheel so thought let her run bit just to fill up the wheel time* she only runs when she's out* not doing it ever agn :3 oh no... i don't bathe her just wash her paws that's all.

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hey~ what do you mean by that.im just saying ONLY about the wheel.i sob cz im just figuring out how to get the wheel rather than not getting at all and sometimes. we are much more responsible than some adults thank you very much.

Thats good, work everyday and earn money and you will have a wheel.:)

BabyGurl, roxys sugarbabys, is not being mean. It's just hard if your a kid/teen, to get all the proper things for the gliders, and to rush to vet if needed, if the kid/teens parents are not there to support them.

~Erica~

@Erica YEAYEa.. ah~ im a cheater sobs.
i guess youre right. i just dont really like people saying it especially this sentence to those who did everything plus now im just talking about the wheel..for temporarily ..it just doesnt feel right..to me.. maybe its just me..being sensitive *these things* ahhh~ don't wanna think bout it.. MORNIIIING ERICAA<3

Will your parents let you work around the house for money? If so do that everyday, so you can get money....You can wash dishes, do laundry, trow trash, work outside, well, it's up too you and your parents, but you should ask so you can get money, and you will be helping around the house.:) Good morning too you too, BabyGurl.

~Erica~

yup~ i am now.. but mostly i will get ALL MY DAD'S MONEY BY CHEATIN WOOHOOO.. and its fun too *smirk*

Jesus woman, do you not understand, if you wanted to get a glider you should've gotten a wheel as well, she shouldne have to make due because you arent prepared or dont have the lifestyle for a glider, if you had to even ask this question you obviously didn't do your homework first. And your glider shouldn't have to risk going outside because you can't buy her a wheel, that IS necessary.

From the sounds of it, she probably didn't do the purchasing. (I'm just assuming, I don't know that to be fact) I think she's pretty young.

and at least shes here asking questions and trying to do right by her glider :)

I know you had to have mentioned it somewhere and I missed it but how long have you had your glider? People...Sniffles, attacking is not going to help this person. How about her cage? How big is it? Where did you get her? What do you feed her. Aren't these question we should be focusing on as well? We answered her question and told her outside time is not wise. Lets just hope and pray she listens. Babygurl, please ask any questions you need. We are here to help you.

@Sniffles ==..
@kyro i went with my parents..ive always wanted them since young.
@Freckles thank you *huggie*
@OnKg-ma ive had her for 2 months and had everything perfect for her..except.. for the wheel *TemporarilY*. Im just asking can she play/run outside before she gets her wheel.. If its dangerous i wont let her do it anymore that's for sure. im just..asking.

BabyGurl, yes, it is dangerous. She could run away, get caught by another animal or possibly walk into something that is poionous that cannot be cleaned off the feet. More than her feet drag to ground when she walks/runs. No, don't give her a bath. When will your dad get her a wheel? How about making her some fleece vines to crawl on in her cage?

@g-ma nono you get it wrong.. i NEVA BATH her like ever.. she had vines in her cage and a ball pit to play with and other toys..:3 just lack of running activity.

Please try to get her a wheel ASAP. She also REALLY needs another glider as a companion. Gliders can and WILL get depressed if they are alone, no matter how much time you spend with them. There was a topic not too long ago about how they're used in some kind of testing because they can quickly become clinically depressed!

Please try to explain this to your dad.

What state are you in? It's possible someone can help you find a glider that needs a new home.

Outside is very dangerous. It only takes a second for something to go wrong. Gliders are fast, if she runs from you chances are you'd never catch her.

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<br />sob? you will be sobbing when something happens this is why yung people get told they sould not have gliders
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Umm excuse me? Young people shouldnt have sugar gliders? Im 12, with happy healthy gliders. I babysit to pay for vet bills, I rarely depend on my mom to help with basic costs. Feed a good organic diet. Have a nice cage. It really isnt that hard once you're educated. So id rather you not stereotype the young.

What's hard is when you have a $400, $600 or $800 vet bill or need to hop in the car to drive yourself to a vet in an emergency if no one is available. I have no doubt SOME young people can be great pet owners. I like to think that I was one of them. Looking back though, I'm so thankful I never needed anything in an emergency. Not sure my parents would have done everything necessary and unfortunately, that's what we see the most of around here. While I do not agree all young people shouldn't have gliders, I do firmly believe that most should not and that's strictly speaking from what I've seen and heard in the past 5 years on the forums and in the glider community. Case in point...this thread.

Lilly, Can you Honestly say EVERY 12 year old can care for glider, any pet for that matter? Just because YOU, have healthy babies, does'nt mean every single kid/teen is going too. Too be honest with you, just because you say YOU pay for everything, does not mean NOTHING..if your parents wanted your gliders out, you would honestly have no say in that, as it is you parents house, YOU are the CHILD, THEY are the PARENT.

Some younger people are mature for their age. Look at Dancingbeyor. Emma is very mature. Sure she can't drive and would have to rely on her mom to take her to a vet but yo know what? I've seen a post quite a while back where someone couldn't take their glider to the vet because they didn't have a vehicle. Many adults can't afford vet bills that high so trying to stereotype as she said...and appropriately so, is wrong. I think a younger person can have suggies. Faith(suggiemom02) had hers for a few years and nobody told her anything.

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<br />Lilly, Can you Honestly say EVERY 12 year old can care for glider, any pet for that matter? Just because YOU, have healthy babies, does'nt mean every single kid/teen is going too. Too be honest with you, just because you say YOU pay for everything, does not mean NOTHING..<b>if your parents wanted your gliders out, you would honestly have no say in that, as it is you parents house, YOU are the CHILD, THEY are the PARENT.</b>

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This is the main reason I discourage young people whose parents are not fully on board with wanting the pets as well from trying to get their parents to change their mind. If the parents are fully on board and wanting the pets as their responsibility as well, I'm all for them being FAMILY pets. But if the parents don't really want it or think its just another hamster, the responsible thing for the CHILD to choose...is to wait until they're on their own 100% and able to care for it.

Omis n Kais g-ma, I'm not saying kids can't have pets. I'm saying if the parents are not going to support the kids, and have the pet as a FAMILY pet, then the kid/teen, honestly should not have pets. Yes, some adults, can't drive or have money for there pets, and IMO, they should not have pets eather. Kids or adults, if they can't support the life they bring into there home they should not have pets, animals can't pick and choose who they go home with, that's why WE are here to speak for the animals, helping people everyday, that's why there are recuses, speaking for the animals, they can't speak up so we have to do it for them.

Please, don't get my post wrong, i'm not against kids having pets, but the parents DO have to play a part in the pet they bring home.

omi n kais g-ma-I'm sorry if that was not directed toward me, or just in general, but you did post after my post..so not sure. Sorry again omi if that was not directed towards me.

~Erica~

No one said a younger person can't have them. I know I said MOST shouldn't...and it's true, for the very reasons I mentioned above.

Kyro, I know nobody said kids can't have pet's, I just wanted to make myself clear, that i'm not against kids having pets, if the parents are going to make it a FAMILY pet.

~Erica~

That wasn't addressed to you. LOL

Im so sorry kyro.
an now that i'm awake I'm pretty sure omi n kais g-mas was not adressing it to me too. so im sorry, omi.

~Erica~

I think it really just depends on the person/people. I'm 18 and have one glider, I'm getting another this weekend. I pay for almost everything that they need. If he needed a vet right this minute, I'd be able to take him and pay for it.

There's some people, on the other hand, who are 30 years old and have no means to take care of a sugar glider.

For example, my friend got a glider when she was 14 and has done everything to keep it healthy. At 15, she got her first job to pay for vet bills, food, and such. My friend's cousin, on the other hand, is over 30, has no job, has 4 young kids, several dogs and cats, and her husband makes minimum wage. The other day she asked me where she could buy a sugar glider or if I'd be willing to breed mine. Absolutely not.

To me, it just depends on the person and on the situation. Like Kyro said, MOST young people wouldn't be able to take care of gliders.

While I agree that SOME young people are mature and responsible enough to take care of gliders, the reality of it is those people are very few and far inbetween. I think we just see a good number of them here, cause they're smart and responsible enough to come onto a glider forum and research their animals.

Unfortunately, as I said, most young people are responsible or mature enough to take on an animal like a glider. And it also seems that there are a LOT of kid's parents that really don't care one way or another about the animals, so they go without things they need, even including vet care.

I personally will not sell to minors for this reason. I also have a contract, a minors can't enter into contracts, but that's besides the point. If a parent were to approach me and say they wanted to get sugar gliders for their children, I would simply turn them away. I still stand by glider are not a pet for children.

If a parent were to come to me and want one as a FAMILY pet, that they would help care for and were mainly interested in, I would sell to them.

Parents' pets that the children interact with and help take care of is a much different story than a child solely owning that pet.

Though I suppose it really falls on the PARENTS to teach their children to be resonpsible and make responsible choices.. and not to buy them pets they can't take care of.

My personal view of youths owning pets:

Owning and caring for a pet or pets can help develop nurturing as well as discipline in children and young adults and can be a very beneficial experience for the youth and parents as individuals and as a family. However, it is vital to whichever pet/pets that is/are chosen to be researched thoroughly by both youth and parents. It is also vital to the pet/pets that both the parents and the youth be completely interested in the welfare of the animal and for parents to be available to take some responsibilities that the youth may not be able to handle s/a purchasing necessities, vet visits, and the like. It also may require some additional help in caring for the pet/pets, depending on the age. This is to say, that in some circumstances the pet/pets are actually more of a "family" pet until the youth is capable of taking on/learning responsibilities relative to their age in the care of these pets, and by name only are referred to as their pet. Again, proper care must be met, regardless of age, and if needed also be supervised by an adult depending on age of youth.

My mom would never even think about getting rid of my gliders, she is totally in love with them, and would probally have her own if she wasnt so busy. She knows how much time and energy ive put into them. She just lets me do my own thing, but can support me if I need help. Honestly, i dont mean to sound like a defiant, disrespecting teenager, but she really doesnt have a say in getting rid of them now. You dont let your kid get a pet, who properly cares for them, and then get rid of them, no matter whos house your in. Yeah if youre underage, no car, no job, you need someone that can back you up. But that doesnt mean they need to be "family" pets that other people have controll over. That totally defeats the purpose of having your OWN pet/s.

It isn't really a debate. Yours are your own. Got it.

When I bought my glider at the mall back in November, my dad and I watched a mother and her two children purchase two gliders. One looked like he was about 6 and the other didn't look much older - 10 tops. We just felt so bad watching the devil in khaki surrender the babies to them. Honestly, there's no way in hell those kids could take care of those suggies, and I can't say for sure but I'd be willing to bet my left leg that the mother wasn't about to take care of them. I can't even tell you guys why I'm so sure without sounding stereotypical. But anyways, I seriously doubt that she would take care or love them - even though they're "easy" pets, as PP likes to stress. It broke my heart to be able to do nothing but watch.

I totally agree with TJones09. There are so many factors in determining whether or not a child or adolescent is ready to take care of or even help take care of a pet. At 19 years old, I've learned a sugar glider is a lot of responsibility. If I didn't have my parents helping here and there, I think it would almost be too much. And that's coming from someone who had pet responsibilities since age 11. Sure, they were hamsters, but still!

Also- this thread seriously digressed lol. So BabyGurl, what are you going to do about this? Cheat your dad out of his money until you have enough for a good wheel? :P

Folks, BabyGurl lives in Singapore so it will take her a while to save enough to purchase any of the wheels we recommend - all of them are made in the US so she will need to pay international postage in addition to the cost of the wheel.

BabyGurl - I hope you can find a good wheel somewhere closer to home. If you find something you think might work - post a photo and we will help you decide if the wheel is safe for your glider.