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If you were a new glider owner who would you beleive?
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Oct 23 2009
03:51:18 PM
Ok,

This may throw a spike in things for some.

If you were in the shoes of a new glider owner or glider owner to be and you were researching glider info. You finally come here as most end up doing just because of the easy site domain name above. And you get all the information that you need to based on everyones opinions here.

Then, you stumble upon this reputable & proffesional site that totally contradicts almost everyones diet views here. (Below)

What would you do? Who would you beleieve?
The next questions: does it kinda make you alittle curious even to the long timers here?

Please click and read each link below.
http://www.asgv.org/pet_owners/introduction2.php

http://asgv.org/pdf/proper%20diet%20and%20nutrition%20-%20part%201%20-%202.pdf

Now I, know the affiliation/organization thats with this Reputable/proffesional site but, do the majority know?
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Oct 23 2009
03:56:06 PM
Rita Glider Sprinkles GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit Rita's Photo Album Rita's Journal MO, USA 12214 Posts
No - the new people would not know. This "company" is very good at hiding their identity. And they are very good at lying.
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Oct 23 2009
04:06:47 PM
kyro298 Glider Sprinkles GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit kyro298's Photo Album kyro298's Journal CO, USA 15262 Posts
Reputable???? Please.
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Oct 23 2009
04:12:54 PM
kyro298 Glider Sprinkles GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit kyro298's Photo Album kyro298's Journal CO, USA 15262 Posts
Oh and NO does not make me curious. I've seen the sites. If people are doing their so-called research, they will learn on their own that the diet promoted on those sites is not what's healthiest and why...not just because someone "said so". I think there are very few who don't know who the "secret company" is either. Is there a reason no one is naming names?
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Oct 23 2009
04:14:01 PM
Anonymous - 4 Posts
I am saying "Reputable" because of the proffesional white coats there behind. What do you not agree with anything your vet tells you?... come on.. Now think about the new glider owners. The gullible trait appears when the white coat appears. They never see the person actually inside it.. "They must be right There vets"!!! as mmost would think..

Cruel huh?

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Oct 23 2009
04:17:07 PM
Anonymous - 4 Posts
No reason on naming.. just wanted to see what kinda reaction I got befor the true beans were spilled.

Just a post and a test combined I guess......
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Oct 23 2009
04:19:35 PM
kyro298 Glider Sprinkles GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit kyro298's Photo Album kyro298's Journal CO, USA 15262 Posts
No way! I don't believe what "any" vet tells me. I've switched vets more than once for that very reason. My vet NOW will email back and forth with me and if I find some new research, she's open to communicating with me about it. I'm a "why" kind of person so if she tells me a certain diet is better than another, not only does she tell me "why", I'll ask if she doesn't. Being reputable implies something positive. Having a reputation is a whole other story... Same goes with doctors, government, whoever...just because they "say so" doesn't make it correct.

Also wanted to add~I was a new owner once too. That's a lame excuse for not doing research.

Edited by - kyro298 on Oct 23 2009 04:21:43 PM
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Oct 23 2009
04:25:42 PM
snusie Goofy Gorillatoes GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit snusie's Photo Album snusie's Journal USA 2962 Posts
AMEN, Kyro!
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Oct 23 2009
04:30:12 PM
Anonymous - 4 Posts
Kyro,

You kinda lost me..

If you know all the answers and know when a Vet dont know what there doing then why do you even need to go to the vet? If you know what to do or know what the correct answer is.

My point is most people, possibly 1 million to 1 dont know wether there vet is wrong or right unlike Kyro does..
They will take it as gospel .. .I mean they went to school, they are the proffesional, not me... i mean, why do I even need to see the vet if I already know what to do..

I am simply pointing out.. What the majority would think.. not what Vetinary Knowledge and skill Kyro has..
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Oct 23 2009
04:34:24 PM
kyro298 Glider Sprinkles GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit kyro298's Photo Album kyro298's Journal CO, USA 15262 Posts
Sure makes it easy to knock me when you're anonymous, doesn't it? Since you can't keep up, let me REPEAT:

I'm a "why" kind of person so if she tells me a certain diet is better than another, not only does she tell me "why", I'll ask if she doesn't.

It isn't rocket science to know whether or not an explanation or facts make sense. I didn't say I knew whether or not it was right or wrong but I sure the hell know if an answer makes any sense or if there are any facts to back it up.
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Oct 23 2009
04:45:09 PM
Anonymous - 4 Posts
Kyro,

I appologize for knocking you a little. but I kinda felt like you were knocking the words i chose to use in my post first..

I got defensive..

This post has probly became mute now..


oh well thanks..






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Oct 23 2009
05:00:36 PM
our2girlz Goofy Gorillatoes GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit our2girlz's Photo Album United States 2362 Posts
I believed my vet who directed me to use the same diet that is recommended by a lot of people on this site therefore as a new glider owner I definetly believed experienced people and my vet over people who are just trying to make profit.
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Oct 23 2009
05:23:12 PM
fadedrainbows Face Hugger GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit fadedrainbows's Photo Album fadedrainbows's Journal USA 819 Posts
As a new glider owner myself I must say that I have done tons of research myself. There are things that just sing true when you hear/read about them. I will not automatically believe what a vet tells me. I have learned from doctors that just because you went to school doesn't mean you know crap. So you probably shouldn't assume that the majority will be gullible enough to believe whatever a vet says. Chances are just as many people won't. And I'm sorry but I have to add that you were extremely rude to Kyro. I won't even click on your link because I have to assume it's PPP. Therefore you should have known it would create a heated debate.
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Oct 23 2009
05:48:23 PM
jbsgirl1423 Super Glider Visit jbsgirl1423's Photo Album jbsgirl1423's Journal 222 Posts
okay i think of it this way.. you go into your doctor and ask them about what you should be eating.. they tell you just eat cheeseburgers with occasional fries on the side... and thats all... now you went to school and everything and you KNOW this will not do anything healthy for you and you'll most likely die very young from this... buuutttt your doctor said to do it... what do you do? for me its an easy choice and i'd go with what i know is healthy for me the food pyramid.
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Oct 23 2009
06:02:57 PM
SariYappa Face Hugger Visit SariYappa's Photo Album USA 413 Posts
in response to your original question, I went and took a look at the "professional" site you posted. I am curious... until I see a BIG RED FLAG!!! Here is a quote "They are designed specifically to “cut through” all the Internet hype, and give owners like yourself safe, reliable ways to feed and care for your Sugar Glider(s) – based on solid Veterinary science and field research."...

If they are so interested in helping the public w/ all this "good info"... then (here is the big red flag) WHY do you have to give your email address to even see the videos???? This is a PLOY.

The above is my reaction as a pet owner, and w/o taking into any of the information I "think I know" about sugar gliders. I have seen too many companies try to get people's personal info, but hiding behind "great new finds" and "better information"... but it's ONLY for those that "join their club"????? Nahhhhhh. I don't give my email address to just anyone.

and keep in mind, I don't even know if I agree w/ the info they have to sell you or not, because I can't even get the 'wonderful wisdom' these people have to share, because I don't want to give out my email address!!

I can't help it, this is really bugging me. Here's another BIG RED FLAG... there is absolutely NO information given about "based on solid Veterinary science and field research."... where is the information to back up this statement???? There are PICTURES of veterinarians (or people playing vet??) on their site... no names, no affiliations except for "the Association of Sugar Glider Veterinarians (ASGV)™"... So I'm going to check that out now.

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Oct 23 2009
06:06:28 PM
SariYappa Face Hugger Visit SariYappa's Photo Album USA 413 Posts
P.S. one more 'big red flag' is that you posted as anonymous... why?? I'm answering you truthfully under my real name...
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Oct 23 2009
11:25:49 PM
Catman Goose Catcher GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit Catman's Photo Album CO, USA 2670 Posts
You need to be licensed Vet to read any of the info? Thats a lot of help to pet owners.What a crock!

"The next questions: does it kinda make you alittle curious even to the long timers here?"

Uhhhhh NO!

I think that sites address and links should be banned.


Reputable? Says who? I agree with Kyro.


I'm sorry but i would never go to a vet that carried an animal around in his/her pocket.Gliders are exotic animals, not pocket change or keys.



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Oct 24 2009
12:02:52 AM
Farns Face Hugger GliderMap Visit Farns's Photo Album USA 842 Posts
If you have to be anonymous and then you bring up sites that are dedicated to a fast buck and not the health and well being of gliders or any other animal for that fact, why bother even posting? I am not net to gliders but I still research and can assure you that I heard about PPP and several others who should be banned from anything to do with animals and hopefully those new to being glider owners/slaves should be smart enough to see just who these people are and what they really stand for. As for who to believe, I'll take the people here anyday and as Kyro states "why" should be answered and most answers on here get a why!
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Oct 24 2009
08:46:07 AM
MrsAych Super Glider Visit MrsAych's Photo Album USA 222 Posts
Amazing... I haven't been here in months and I come back to this. Anonymous poster trying to stir things up. Strangely... I find it a bit comforting that things are still the same. I'm not good with change.

I gave my e-mail address so I could watch the videos. Very little solid information. Just enough to convince innocents that they are for real. My opinion... this was a commercial for pre-packaged glider food. No real info there. And there are lies. Feeding the proven home made diets is not all that expensive when you consider that most of the ingredients are things most people keep in their homes anyway. Yes... the powdered vitamin supplements aren't cheap, but one jar lasts a long time. It's not like you have to go out and buy them every week. The cost spread out over time is small. And the amount of time it takes to prepare food for gliders isn't so time consuming as they would have you believe. It takes a few minutes every night for me to choose the foods and chop them up. Most things can be prepared in bulk and frozen. All that's needed is a walk to the freezer, a bit of thawing time, and dinner is pretty much ready.

The videos are crap.
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Oct 24 2009
08:55:23 AM
MrsAych Super Glider Visit MrsAych's Photo Album USA 222 Posts
Well, well, well... look at what I found...

http://www.vetspride.com/

The dear doctor advertising what? A commercial glider food? Really? No way.
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Oct 24 2009
09:10:18 AM
jbsgirl1423 Super Glider Visit jbsgirl1423's Photo Album jbsgirl1423's Journal 222 Posts
omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! this stupid bigot is making me very angry you can watch the videos on youtube and the whole time he talks about how its not practical to spend so much money to feed you animal these diets because they are extremely complicated and time consuming (bml is very easy local ingrediants) my response is if you get a sugar glider you should know it is time consuming and much more costly than a hamster you should always do what best for your pet at the end of course he pulls out a big ol' bag of food manufactured by the on the only ppp what an arsnitch!!!< sorry german cussing> im almost certain this idiot isnt a real vet.. and another thing related to ppp is he called them sugar bears or honey gliders
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Oct 24 2009
09:47:37 AM
Dahlia_2020 Fuzzy Wuzzy GliderMap Visit Dahlia_2020's Photo Album SC, USA 1419 Posts
No, he's a real vet. He's just one that's been bought off.

The video that PISSES me off is the one that states that there is no homeless glider epidemic and all so-called glider rescues that will tell you different are the REAL mill breeders. He goes on to further state that everyone should stay away from glider rescues and small breeders because they are the true source of unhealthy gliders and propaganda. And he continued on to say that it was a very RARE occasion that someone would even want to get rid of their glider because they were so easy to take care of, that you'd be wasting your time trying to adopt one that needed a home.

Gee, that's so good to know. Be sure to tell that to the THOUSANDS of people dumping their gliders on craigslist all across the country today.

I swear, I nearly punched my monitor in after seeing that video. All three of my babies are rescues and I know that if I didn't have any self control I could have picked up another five or six in just the past few months alone.

No epidemic??? ARE YOU KIDDING ME???
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Oct 24 2009
09:54:56 AM
MrsAych Super Glider Visit MrsAych's Photo Album USA 222 Posts
What I wonder is how these people can sleep at night.

ETA:And if there is such a thing as reincarnation I hope they come back as sugar gliders sold by mill breeders to misinformed or bad owners.

Edited by - MrsAych on Oct 24 2009 09:56:06 AM
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Oct 24 2009
10:09:16 AM
Bella Joey 10 Posts
LOL. He Got his Dr. Title becuase he is a Dentist.. Looks as tho there using a Dentist in his white coat pose or look like Vet.

How Lame.. anyway I looked up his credentials.. here they are below.

Dr. David Brust

Dr. David Brust is a native of Northfield MN and a graduate of NHS. He earned a Bachelor of Arts degree in Chemistry from St. Olaf College. Dr. Brust graduated with high distinction from the University of Minnesota School of Dentistry in 1996. He was awarded an Oral Surgery Fellowship at the Minneapolis Veterans Hospital where he practiced for one year. Upon completion of the fellowship, he returned to Northfield where he joined Division Street Dentists.

Dr. Brust is a member of the American Dental Association, the Minnesota Dental Association and Southeastern Dental Society. He is also a member of Omicron Kappa Upsilon National Honor Society.
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Oct 24 2009
10:14:15 AM
filly47 Goofy Gorillatoes Gliderpedia Editor Visit filly47's Photo Album USA 2330 Posts
I just watched these videos and I am appalled. Just because he is a vet does not mean that he is the smartest man on earth. I know plenty of people far more intellectual and qualified, and I do not like him calling me dumb and niave. I can see how a new glider owner could easily be swayed by him, thinking that he is 'the leading authority' and backing up his words by saying that they are factual evidence. I would like to see the actual scientific studies that he uses, and see who funded them. When a vet backs a particular product, or a doctor backs one drug company, it just screams of being a buy off. I am disgusted!

Also, he can shut the bloody hell up about "the real facts of owning sugar gliders". The internet is a fabulous tool for any animal owner, to not only connect with other owners, but also to do research. That is because google is a very unbiased tool when you type in information and will give you lots of differing sites where you can form your own opinion on just about any matter by hearing all the sides.
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Oct 24 2009
10:17:15 AM
MrsAych Super Glider Visit MrsAych's Photo Album USA 222 Posts
Actually, there is a vet named David Brust in Sugarland, Texas. I googled the name David M Brust, DVM. If it's the same David M Brust that is doing these videos he should have his license yanked.
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Oct 24 2009
11:31:14 AM
P-Nut Glider Visit P-Nut's Photo Album P-Nut's Journal 87 Posts
some vets know what there talking about but alot dont know about EVERY animal that comes in. they sometimes base there therory on whats wrong with the animal off of another animal similar. thats what one of the vets told me. ( not sure if its true though) you can see whats good for your glider. there tell you/ show you even. they seem to be doing fine on this site. everyones well takin care of here =) were family
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Oct 24 2009
11:31:37 AM
Rita Glider Sprinkles GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit Rita's Photo Album Rita's Journal MO, USA 12214 Posts
And this same vet is NO expert as some people here have proclaimed. It appears he has been seeing gliders for "maybe" a year now? That does NOT constitute an expert.

For any of you who go to this vet, please - the next time you go ask him to make a consultation call with a knowledgeable glider vet. Want to make a bet right now that he wont do it?


VET CONSULT NUMBERS

The following Vets are willing to consult with other vets who have questions regarding sugar glider care and emergencies.

Please put these numbers in your Emergency Kit.

We are NOT to call these vets ourselves - they will only consult with
another Vet!!!


Dr.Tim Tristan
OSO Creek Animal Hospital
361-994-1145

Dr. Bradley Walsh
Village Vet Animal Clinic/All Creatures Veterinary Hospital
918-258-0040

Dr. Andrew Grzanowski
Canton Center Animal Hospital
734-459-1400

Dr. Kate Zimmerman
TriCounty Animal Hospital
(has 24hr emergency contact info on her office answering machine)
423-391-0303


Dr. Teresa Bradley
Belton Animal Clinic
816-331-3120

Dr. Kristen West
Mandel Veterinary Hospital
216-321-6040







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Oct 24 2009
11:38:01 AM
MrsAych Super Glider Visit MrsAych's Photo Album USA 222 Posts
A year?!? And he has the gall to do these videos and act like he knows it all? That's sick. I've had several "exotic" pets over the years and my vets have all been willing to admit when they don't know something. I've even given them information that they followed up on and learned from so they could treat these types of animals if needed. Experience counts for so much and one year is nothing compared to how many years some of the people here have owned and cared for Sugar Gliders.
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Oct 24 2009
01:39:17 PM
cogginsh Glider GliderMap Visit cogginsh's Photo Album USA 69 Posts
My thing is that just because the site is a .org does not mean that it is true here is a great example. If you go to martinlutherking.org this site site looks real but do your research(www.easywhois.com/) and you find out that the guy who owns this site name is Don Black if you google this guy he is a former KKK leader! no joke! check his own web site! So I stand on the side of take ever thing with a grain of salt even on here because everyone has there own way of doing things and own way of thinking.
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Oct 24 2009
01:51:15 PM
suppressedtearz Fuzzy Wuzzy GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit suppressedtearz's Photo Album USA 1066 Posts
Just because a vet has gone to school doesn't mean they know squat about exotics. If you had a vet that had never performed a neutering procedure on a glider, would you still assume him/her to be able to do it because they're a vet? Many vets are quite different from another, anyone who has gone to the vet knows that.

One's work is always influenced by personal beliefs as well. Like some vets think declawing a cat is cruel and won't perform it, some will do front feet, and others will do all four paws.

And I'm sorry but the minute I saw those videos it sent a red flag, new owner or not. Especially the video about teaching them not to bite. Would any glider owner on this forum shove their thumb into their gliders mouth and apply pressure? Or would you be so concerned with causing pain, or perhaps breaking their jaw that you would never dream of doing this to your poor baby?

I'm going to go with the latter. I will either suffer through the biting, or find a non-physical method of stopping this behavior.
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