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JediMasterMatt Glider  USA 60 Posts Greetings! I am a 'newbie' to the blogs and I am researching Sugar Gliders as a possible pet for myself. This blog and it's forums have been very informative and helpful to newcomers such as myself, and I truly appreciate everyones posts, opinions and comments and take them all into consideration and my decision making before I make the big purchase. I have decided to comment on this post because I found it really odd for the Sugar Glider community to bash (instead of embracing different opinions) a vet who seems to generally care about the health and well being of Sugar Gliders. As I was researching the internet I also came across the site ASGV.org and their videos...and I found them generally helpful. I know that a lot of people on this blog disagree with their statements on diet/nutrition and rescue organizatons, but its only their opinions....there's no reason to get all bent out of shape and bash this doctor/vet. I have printed out the transcripts (for my own studying) to the diet/nutrition videos and have carefully read them. He does not state anywhere that the 'natural' diet some of you feed your 'suggies' is wrong (like one of the other comments here said), he just states that they are more complicated and expensive than pellet food. Now lets be honest here, feeding pellet food to any pet IS simpler and less costly than making fresh homemade meals, that's just a simple fact. Another user here also cried foul because Dr. David Brust was seen in an ad at Vetspride.com promoting a pellet food he talks about on his videos. How many of your family doctors have free samples of medicines in their offices, or push a certain brand name medicine on you when you have been diagnosed with an illness??? They do this because either they get discounts/payment or they truly believe that one brand is better than another. If anyone here was asked to promote their homemade glider meals and get paid for it, I would guess that most of you would....because you truly believe in it. I understand how passionate all of you are about your Sugar Gliders and their well-being, but does it hurt to be a little open-minded towards other opinions, especially from a vet? If YOUR vet tells you your way is better, that's fine follow their advice, if your homemade meals aren't a hassle to you and they work, nobody says you have to change what your doing. One quote I found on the transcripts states the following about pellet food: " Now, just to put this in a little perspective, this kind of thing is nothing new in exotic pet medicine. Like I said, I’ve been practicing for over 25 years now, and we Vets had the same problem back in the mid 1970’s and 80’s with exotic birds. For the first several years after these birds became popular, amateur bird lovers were pushing a handful of very complicated, homemade diets out there that tried to replicate what the animal would be eating out in the wild. But, just like with sugar gliders, they were too complex and expensive for most people to follow. Then, eventually, once veterinary science learned more about the specific dietary needs of these birds, reputable pet food manufacturer’s came out with commercial pellet foods which were balanced – and much more nutritious and practical than all the homemade diets." I haven't decided which diet/nutrition plan I plan to follow yet, but I would suggest to all newbies to be open-minded and weigh all of your options and data you find about your pet's or potential pet's care. If readers of my post want to bash me, that's fine, it doesn't bother me, I am just voicing my opinion and trying to decide wht "I" think is best for my potential new pets. Thank you for reading. valkyriemome Goofy Gorillatoes  USA 3479 Posts That vet sold his soul to a big company. It is amazing what you can buy when you exploit small marsupials to the tune of Millions of dollars a year! You can buy someone's soul. You can buy off people to shut them up. You can pay off government employees so that you keep passing your required inspections. You can buy up multiple web addresses, and post web sites that make it look like you and only you know what you are doing. No amount of money changes the fact that it is all smoke and mirrors, and complete BS. A boy I met recently wanted sugar gliders. I told him to get on the internet and research EVERYTHING. Then we could talk, and I'd help him locate a pair of gliders. He found that vet's site. And he did enough other, independent research to know it was full of hokey. So - yes, it is possible to discover the truth and make intelligent decisions in the face of a "Reputable Vet's Web Site." By the way - he got his two girls last night, and he's in LOVE! JediMasterMatt Glider USA 60 Posts Ok, so 'if' this vet sold his soul to a big corporation, does that still make all his advise garbage? There is a lot of other helpful information on that site other than just the diet and nutrition videos. jbsgirl1423 Super Glider  222 Posts quote:
Originally posted by JediMasterMatt
Greetings!
I am a 'newbie' to the blogs and I am researching Sugar Gliders as a possible pet for myself. This blog and it's forums have been very informative and helpful to newcomers such as myself, and I truly appreciate everyones posts, opinions and comments and take them all into consideration and my decision making before I make the big purchase.
I have decided to comment on this post because I found it really odd for the Sugar Glider community to bash (instead of embracing different opinions) a vet who seems to generally care about the health and well being of Sugar Gliders. As I was researching the internet I also came across the site ASGV.org and their videos...and I found them generally helpful. I know that a lot of people on this blog disagree with their statements on diet/nutrition and rescue organizatons, but its only their opinions....there's no reason to get all bent out of shape and bash this doctor/vet.
I have printed out the transcripts (for my own studying) to the diet/nutrition videos and have carefully read them. He does not state anywhere that the 'natural' diet some of you feed your 'suggies' is wrong (like one of the other comments here said), he just states that they are more complicated and expensive than pellet food. Now lets be honest here, feeding pellet food to any pet IS simpler and less costly than making fresh homemade meals, that's just a simple fact.
Another user here also cried foul because Dr. David Brust was seen in an ad at Vetspride.com promoting a pellet food he talks about on his videos. How many of your family doctors have free samples of medicines in their offices, or push a certain brand name medicine on you when you have been diagnosed with an illness??? They do this because either they get discounts/payment or they truly believe that one brand is better than another. If anyone here was asked to promote their homemade glider meals and get paid for it, I would guess that most of you would....because you truly believe in it.
I understand how passionate all of you are about your Sugar Gliders and their well-being, but does it hurt to be a little open-minded towards other opinions, especially from a vet? If YOUR vet tells you your way is better, that's fine follow their advice, if your homemade meals aren't a hassle to you and they work, nobody says you have to change what your doing. One quote I found on the transcripts states the following about pellet food:
"Now, just to put this in a little perspective, this kind of thing is nothing new in exotic pet medicine. Like I said, I’ve been practicing for over 25 years now, and we Vets had the same problem back in the mid 1970’s and 80’s with exotic birds. For the first several years after these birds became popular, amateur bird lovers were pushing a handful of very complicated, homemade diets out there that tried to replicate what the animal would be eating out in the wild. But, just like with sugar gliders, they were too complex and expensive for most people to follow. Then, eventually, once veterinary science learned more about the specific dietary needs of these birds, reputable pet food manufacturer’s came out with commercial pellet foods which were balanced – and much more nutritious and practical than all the homemade diets."
I haven't decided which diet/nutrition plan I plan to follow yet, but I would suggest to all newbies to be open-minded and weigh all of your options and data you find about your pet's or potential pet's care. If readers of my post want to bash me, that's fine, it doesn't bother me, I am just voicing my opinion and trying to decide wht "I" think is best for my potential new pets. Thank you for reading.
okay the whole doctor and medication thing is completely different then promoting pellet food.. because the pellet food he is promoting is nothing but fillers... and tho it may be easier be prepared for your glider to die withing a month have fun and good luck to you however if you would like some real information about diets that are fed to the gliders who live up to 15 years then you can talk to some expierienced glider owners such as rita, kyro, kazko, and mollysmom JediMasterMatt Glider USA 60 Posts jbsgirl: How do you know that the pellet foods are just fillers? Where did yu get that information? JediMasterMatt Glider USA 60 Posts Just so everyone knows, I am not trying to start an argument with my post above, I am just trying to seperate the facts from the BS. JediMasterMatt Glider USA 60 Posts I don't know if my posts show up 'anon' or not, my screen name here is JediMasterMatt...RITA and MORIKO, if you are speaking to me, I am not promoting this pellet food, I was simply asking why the homemade meals are better, and why the blog is so anti-pellet food. AS I MENTIONED IN MY FIRST POST...I AM A NEWBIE TO THIS COMMUNITY, SO EXCUSE ME IF I DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING THAT THERE IS TO KNOW ABOUT SUGGIES, VETS AND SUGGIE MILLS!!!! Also, up until a few minutes ago, after reading another post here, I had no idea that Dr. Brust is associated with PPP. Its no wonder why these blogs get a bad name on the internet, because someone like me who is trying to learn the facts from all the bullpoop gets bashed or berated on here simply because they don't know everything YOU GUYS KNOW or we say the wrong thing as an innocent mistake. JediMasterMatt Glider USA 60 Posts Moriko, I didn't say pellet was better, I was asking why most people were against it because 'on the surface' to a newbie like myself it appears as a good alternative! ------------------------------- you said "Let me ask you a question.. instead of the lazy and selfish reasoning that pellet food is less time consuming and cheaper. Why is it better? Do you have proof?" ------------------------------- And for the 2nd time tonight, I don't have all the answers, I am new to all this information and came here for a civil discussion because all the information I have looked at, either legit or not is conflicting, and I DO NOT KNOW WHAT IS CURRENTLY THE BEST OUT INFO THERE!....so get off my back already! JediMasterMatt Glider USA 60 Posts Also Moriko, get off your high horse and stop implying that I am lazy or selfish just because I may be interested in pellet food...I am only trying to figure out what is the "best" for my potential new pets, not what is best for me! Everyone's goal here is the health and well-being of their Sugar Gliders...instead of being so defensive with your replies, why not try to steer me in the right direction, isn't that what this blog is for, helping newer or potential owners? Moriko Face Hugger   AL, USA 943 Posts I apologize if I may see aggressive about this discussion. In your earlier posts, it seemed as you were pretty intelligible about pellet products as you have researched other sites before coming to this one. At the end of the line, everyone has their own opinions about why pellet food is not the right source of nutrients for your glider. With little effort(seeming we are very offensive about this topic for the health of all gliders) there are many posts that can be found that have an abundant amount of information on this subject and other better alternatives to pellets that are not as expensive as Dr. Burst may lead on. You can use the nutrients tab at the top of the page if you would like to look through some recipes with the correct Ca:ph ratio. Here are a few reasons why I disagree with pellet use. Everyone proclaims that pellets are the easiest way to go, if we short-cut on this, what else are we going to short-cut on that may endanger our glider's lives. What's next? Auto-mated water bottle fillers that "never" fail? Pellets alone do not contain the necessary calcium amount that a glider needs per serving, or the necessary nutrients needed. The hardness of the pellets are known to cause jaw issues with gliders also. Once again, I apologize if I have offended you in any manner. When it comes to gliders, we love them dearly. That's why we get our fur ruffled very easily. We ARE here to help you in any way. Sometimes it's hard not to step on some toes in the process. JediMasterMatt Glider USA 60 Posts Thank you Moriko/Suggieluver02, I appreciate it. As you may have noticed, I just joined this blog today and its been a little bumpy of a ride. But I am glad that I have a resourse of experienced owners who can guide me in the right direction. As I mentioned before I have researched the internet for hours upon hours but all of the conflicting information is just making my head spin. kyro298 Glider Sprinkles CO, USA 15262 Posts THEHYLAND Zippy Glidershorts FL, USA 4774 Posts People, People, People relax. All I got out of the first listed post was they are promotting pellets. For most of us we know better. They are a waste of time and PPP is behind it. Nothing wrong with using pellets as a extra/staple but not as the main food. We have heard over and over again about how some of our gliders have died because of poor diets. Most of the time the gliders were on pellets and apples. I don't know about anybody else but I wouldn't last long on pellets and apples. To put things into prospective think to yourself, after reading all about glider, if you were a glider what would you eat. Gliders have been around for a very long time, how long have pellets been here? Time for another new post. valkyriemome Goofy Gorillatoes USA 3479 Posts So much of the dangers that Pocket Pets promote *seem* like perfectly logical behaviors. It might SEEM logical to shove your finger into a gliders mouth when it bites you. It might seem logical when they tell you that "giardia is naturally occurring and nothing to be alarmed about." It sounds right to squeeze a glider when it crabs at you. It seems even more logical when they have a real, honest-to-goodness vet backing everything they say! The proof is in the deaths. The proof is in the numbers of joeys they sell that either die within the first 30 days, or end up on Craigslist because the new owner discovered the whole sales pitch was garbage. The proof is in the numbers of gliders in rescue homes who originated with PPP sales. The proof is in the commentary of the REAL glider vets - who have to treat their sick and dying gliders every time PPP comes through town. As noted before, not everything they say is really bad. So, why do we "throw the baby out with the bathwater"? For the very reason you stated Jedi - because a newbie cannot necessarily discern the reasonable information from the garbage - especially when it all sounds "vet verified." Because SO MUCH of what they do is in direct opposition to what is good, healthy and kind to sugar gliders, and because they completely manufacture information as a sales technique - it is far easier to just steer clear of anything with their name on it. Since they are actively buying up domain names, and any Google search for sugar gliders will lead directly back to PPP, we have to be VERY proactive in educating people. We have to steer people clear of them BEFORE they ever come into town! We have to take our gliders out as ambassadors, educating people to the fact that mill breeders exist. Every single person who owns and loves gliders has to speak out to STOP people BEFORE they impulse buy. And - once the purchase has happened, it is our responsibility to help those owners find correct information to better the lives of their gliders. Error, missing URL.
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