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Jan 5, 2011

 Introducing Myself & Li'l Fritz :D

Posted by: KatFarrell
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Hi! We're new here so I thought that I'd introduce us.

That's Fritz. He's aprox 8mo old now and a big lover of life. His favorite activities are wrestling (with either fingers or ears), exploring any new places, scaring off larger animals (he even took on a 90lb German Shepard before I could interviene, lol), and eating pretty much anything he can get his li'l hands on.

Disclaimer: I'm about to seriously upset a lot of you. Yes, I adopted Fritz from PPP. Don't kill/sue/yell at me. I didn't know (and while they're not the best, I don't believe they're Evil as a lot of their info meshes with yours). Thankfully everything has worked out fine. Yes, he has been on their Glide R Chow (hense why he gets boild egg & other 'treats'reguarlly). I'm currently researching a better option (for all of those who helped me in the Chat room lasst night, THANKS for all of the links. They'll help alot!) Yes, I'm also currently equiped with the standard PPP cage, but am looking into a larger cage (esp. since it looks like I'll be rescuing a small family of neglected gliders).

Now that's out of the way, lol. I will be asking a lot of questions as i'm tired of getting cookie cutter answers from PPP & like to start my research by getting the opinions of others. I love Fritz & want him to be healthy, happy, & live a long & fulfilled life.

Have Fun & I'll ttyl!


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Jan 3, 2011

 My Family is growing!

Posted by: bholland7
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Wow, it's been awhile since my last log in here. Everyone is doing great and have all settled in really well. I'm still dealing with having a huge cage and not being able to get more gliders to get along enough to move in with Kneo's family(4).
Our newest group is growing. We have a joey due oop anyday now. Last night I saw another small pea sized bump in the other side of Meeka's pouch. This will be our second joey since we got them just about 4 months age. It makes me sad because I can not work on bonding with Meeka that much longer. Everyone in this cage is so sweet other then her. She will need some work when she is done raising her babies. I'm excited to be able to experience having the joey's.
Everynight I check on this group and feed treats so that I can monitor the Joey though the cage bars. I can see the growth that is happening and I have seen it moving several times now. Last night Meeka was making a different noises of hissing. Not sure if that is her singing to the joey or not. This joey will be named Chi. I keep telling Bandit(brother) to have Chi come out to play soon. I tried to photograph her belly but she's not helping that at all. I got one picture and you really can't see anything. Hubby and I are talking about buying another large cage just for Meeka's group(3-5) if her joey's make it. I find the bigger cages easier to keep clean.
Jan 2, 2011

 Best photographer around

Posted by: macawguy
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Dec 31, 2010

 Calcium and phosphorous

Posted by: shanla20
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I just want to make sure I know what good calciums and phosphorous are. Can anyone tell me?
Dec 28, 2010

 And then there were seven!

Posted by: kazko
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Before she died, Susan asked me to care for her three neutered boys. This left me with an additional cage which was hard to find a spot for in this crowded house and it also divided attention that I can give everyone else. I had thoughts about attempting a colony merge but my other half disagrees with my methods and didn't support the concept for fear of the possible/probable dangerous outcome of seven misfit boys fighting. So I didn't do it.

I have recently had several discussions with people who were having miserable outcomes while attempting mergings. I have successfully merged multiple animals in the past using this technique and it had never failed me. I stopped accepting new animals awhile back so I have had none to try it on for a long time.

One recent cage cleaning day I saw a free weekend ahead and decided to give the 4 + 3 boys merging a go in order to build a larger colony of boys, drop a cage, increase attention I can give each colony and to ultimately test my old group merging procedure.

CAGE1 was mine and had four second-hand boys that had all been previously merged using this technique. CAGE2 was Susan's and had her original one boy and then a pair she later got hold of and merged. The one was tame but the added pair were very skittish.

My efforts paid off. It was a complete success. I could not have been happier with the outcome. The seven neutered boys are together with absolutely no fussing or fighting since day 1. The skittish pair are now out of the pouch early and are interacting extremely well with the group and with me. They all really do seem happier after the merging and that begins to question for me the idea of how many makes for a healthy keeping in a single cage.

We all know that a single glider is a miserable glider and that two is always recommended as a necessity. I have always thought that one or two matings is an easy way to build your own single cage family colony at home with 4 to 8 animals. My own cage of 8 related animals is the most fun I have kept and now the 7 boys seem more full of life than the original separate 4 and 3. So I just wonder if a good number per cage would be 6 to 10.

This has got to have been the easiest merging I have ever done, and I am not entirely sure of all of the reasons why, but the group merging procedure worked again and has avoided fussing, fighting and injuries. So it's a working colony cage full of second-hand misfits!



PROLOGUE

In order to offer another possible route to use if softer merging attempts have failed, I have decided to share my procedure with you, come Hell, high-water or flaming war. I don't think I have ever done this after trying "traditional" attempts so I cannot say if it will help at that point but it may still. The problem there is that sugar gliders have a very good scent memory. If they end up fighting with a new arrival, they remember the scent well and I think that ruins any future merging attempts. Also, I think that scent swapping pouches and things like that is more of a teaser than it is of a familiarization. In the wild, sugar gliders will steal a sleeping area. Obviously it will have a previous scent to it and they will defend against that old scent if it comes back. I don't think scent swapping is a good idea.

This concept is why I devised the group merging procedure. It is designed to force them to fixate on other things besides the newbies, their smell, or any territorial or alpha issues. I have found that when sugar gliders are fixated, frightened, scared, threatened, whatever you want to call it, they will flock together for safety in numbers where they can. This immediately breaks down the normal smell and territorial barriers and allows the animals to become immediately socialized without the expected fussing, fighting or possible wounds which of course are highly stressful.

PROCEDURE

I use water and being wet as a fixation device. While fixated on the abnormal stimulus, sugar gliders are very much less interested in new smells and the fighting that comes with protecting territory. Instead, they focus solely on the abnormal stimulus, and in this case, all they want to do is get away from it.

STEP1: Get em wet and then toss em together into a tiny cage in the shower and continue the stimulus of water. They will fixate on the threat of the water spritzing and being wet instead of each other. Keep them in this situation for over an hour. You can turn water on and off but I just kept it a very light spritz in order to keep them warm. They do need to be absolutely soaking wet. They will look miserable, but as they run around the tiny introduction cage, they are already interacting and are also merging scents. With no animals attacking, none are afraid of the others and your scent introductions are happening. After an hour or so when they slow down, appear worn out, or start to accept the situation, spray a healthy dose of scent mask on every wet bottom. I use mouthwash that may or may not be thinned out as I see fit. This will desensitize their noses and is an extra layer to allow them to come together without fussing.

STEP2: Get them together. While they are still wet and scent-masked, offer a CLEAN/new pouch. They will all immediately scramble to get into it. You can now remove the little cage from the shower. They will find safety in the pouch away from the stimulus, they will groom themselves and also groom each other and will become worn out and go to sleep. Their scents will merge and their introductions will take.

Immediately put them under a lamp and keep them like this in the tiny cage overnight to force them to stay in pouch. Skip this one night feeding to avoid introducing any food fussing issues and to also simply keep them in pouch socializing and normalizing scents.

STEP3: The next day you can move them into a larger sized cage that is very open with only the same single pouch for retreat. The open cage allows them to get out and explore but they can constantly see each other so there are no surprises. Keep them in here for a few days to reinforce the merging. Keep an eye on them and be ready for any fighting, but with luck there wont be any. You can add in a couple exercise wheels as well for them to retreat to.

STEP4: A few days later when you are comfortable with the idea, move them into the larger destination cage that has all amenities. You would be best served by using only the single pouch for awhile, but you can offer places to explore such as boxes and whatnot as well as multiple exercise wheels.

You are done!






I know that nobody wants to see photos of sugar gliders suffering, but I have these here so you can see how this works and what has been surprisingly successful for me. The first step is to get them soaking wet and to keep them that way for awhile. It is what it is and it does various things to bypass their normal mental processes and it really helps the group merging.




Wet boys running around


Wet boys now tired and mostly docile


All scrambling into the new pouch


Desk lamp overnight to keep the boys in and docile


I decided to feed them in the morning since I'm a softie


Not a single fuss


Medium cage for a few days


Seven happy and cozy boys


Large cage with stuff



Dec 27, 2010

 Green poop

Posted by: Ellenchristner
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I am a new owner to two 5 month old female sugar gliders. They had totally normal poop when we got them and now it is green and one time it was a soupy green and im really conserned im calling the vet tomorrow but does anyone know what i can do? I want to get them on a solid diet but i dont know which one to do and since im new at this iv herd multiple diets and there all very confusing no one has given me an actual diet plan step by step to follow. They have a cleen big cage they enjoy, we try and keep the temperature warm enough in the house. Also the original owners said they gliders woke up around 10PM everynight to start there "day" but they havent been waking up untill 12. Also how often should i get them out a day. I just want them to be healthy and happy so i need help!
Dec 20, 2010

 Trim Trax to trim track

Posted by: kazko
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I am not a fan of Trim Trax for the Stealth. It didn't work on a cage of three boys. Their nails stayed evil sharp.

Looking into the Trim Trax design, I found two things that I think fail. The first is simply that not enough force presses back on the nails to do any good. An attempt is made to correct that by lining the back of the sand paper with a plastic sheet, but it fails. Secondly, the tracks are held in place using small nylon bolts. The bolt heads stick up into the running surface which is never something you want to do. From the perspective of the animal, I think the bolts are capable of doing damage to the feet running on them, and at best, the animal has to avoid 8 bolts while running. When multiple animals are in the wheel, it is even harder to avoid the bolts. It is also a pain to maintain the tracks with 8 bolts and nuts to undo and redo.







Modifying the Stealth to have a single solid nail trimmer track is very easy to do. All you need is a roll of 2-3/4"sand paper, some plastic hardware mesh for the new inner track and a vinyl FRP trim strip to cut out a track connector. Plastic mesh and an 8ft frp trim piece can be found at every Home Depot .

Cut an inner track from your roll of plastic mesh. Cut a similar length from your roll of sand paper .







Insert the sand paper into the wheel and then insert the new track into the wheel.







Push the track as snug as you can inside of the wheel and then cut off any overlapping track leaving a small width for the track connector.







Cut your track connector from the FRP trim, pull up both ends of the track, insert the connector then press it in and you should have a very firm running track which holds the sandpaper snugly in place.







The new running surface is completely free from dangerous foot obstacles and it is 100% sand paper for a more powerful nail maintenance.







This new design makes it very easy to remove the inner track and replace the sandpaper and it is all homebrew and off the shelf stuff. A single roll of sand paper will last you a very long time.



Dec 19, 2010

 New Diet

Posted by: alreadywantmore
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So I am a new suggie mom, I got Bindi the day before thanksgiving and went with what the breeder told me to use for a diet which is a pellet and papaya diet, I also give her veggies and fruits. Anddddd treats of course but she smells really bad and its said that sugar gliders who smell are lacking something nutrition wise. so ive been thinking about putting her on the BML diet. but i wanted some opinions first bc im new at this and dont want to hurt her poor tummy!
Dec 18, 2010

 Stealth wheel needs a trim track

Posted by: kazko
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I inherited a Stealth exercise wheel from Snusie(RIP) along with her Three Amigos colony. The wheel came with those common two tack-on sandpaper strips to trim nails. The boys in this cage had some really mean nails so I dont think the strips were doing any good. I decided to upgrade the wheel to a full trim track and am writing this to show you how.

All you need to do is to cut an inner track, cut a track connector, cut a length of sandpaper off of the roll and then insert all of it. There is no need to modify or disassemble the wheel. It is pretty easy and is no different a process on any of the wheels I have done this to.






The 2-3/4" sandpaper roll can be purchased off eBay . The track connector is cut from an FRP trim piece that you can get at any home store.

You can read my previous post about doing this on the Wodent .


Dec 8, 2010

 5th day

Posted by: hurley9
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well today is the 5th day with my little buddy!
at first my girlfriend thought i was a little stupid for getting him, but now she seems like she is warming up to him, bc shell ask me how he is doing during the day.
well last night i gave him some yogurt, eggs, fruits, and veggies for his meal. i gave him a little bit larger portions to gage how much he will eat. needless to say he ate a lot. and ate all of his yogurt, and to say how much he liked it he left a nice little turn in the bowl. aww how sweet. he seemed to take a liking to the veggies more so than the fruits, surprised me!

something that surprised me:
little henry has come out around 10:30-11 everynight but last night. since i had made him that new pouch and all i though, one, he either really liked sleeping in the shirt that was in the new pouch, or, two, missed his old pouch a lot, so i placed his old pouch back in his cage next to the new one.. well as soon as it was hung up, he finally popped his head out and climbed out of the pouch. then started to climb all over his old one sniffing it and such. so i came to the conclusion that he missed his old pouch. so he started playing and everything and i fell asleep. when i woke up the next morning i looked in his old pouch and he wasnt there! then looked in the new one and he was fast asleep in the new one! then saw that almost all the food was gone! i woke up a very happy camper this morning.
he also seems to be liking me a little more.he was towards the back of the cage and when i walked up to it he went to his food and started eating the yogurt!
its nice to see him not so scared!
Dec 7, 2010

 4th day

Posted by: hurley9
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today is the fourth day with little Henry! i rearranged his cage and bought some eggs fruits/veggies and yogurt for him. he seems to be liking his new pouch

this is little Henry yesterday when i got him out of the cage


Dec 7, 2010

 Stupid college...

Posted by: Tenshi
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Just a little bit of venting here, sorry :(

I really hate that I went to college for the time that I did. I finished half of the schooling and know enough about Massage therapy to get a job, only thing I lack is a piece of paper that says I graduated. I did not get any kind of loan, but apparently the college wanted to "help" and said that if they ran my parents credit and it came back bad, then it would take x amount out of the $11,350 price tag. Telling me I would not have to pay it back. WELL after having to drop school (parents divorced and it wasnt safe to stay with my stepdad) and move out to NC with Adam, I get a call from my in-laws saying that they got mail saying I owed about 4000+ to student loans. WTF Im still paying off the stupid college crap that I didnt get to do, Each semester (every 6-8 weeks i that college) the rate goes up, after a few semesters I was there, the tuition had gone up to 13,000+ ...Im so stressed out cause Adam is getting out of the Army in May, if he is needed, they can call him back anytime 5 years after that...and since he is airborne he will be on call if a war breaks out and they need more people.

Its retarded, everything I learned minus techniques, I already knew! I was top of my class because I took physiology in high school and had it twice so I remembered EVERYTHING, I didnt even have to study for our finals when it was to do with the physical parts, my lowest grade was a B in massage therapy. Its so stupid that I have to worry about crap they said I wouldnt have to worry about. :-( With Ian on the way, the move, starting up Adams family business again...How am I suppose to keep my worry, and anxiety down... The lady I called today to see if I could postpone my payments was so rude! Im just venting now to keep Adam from stressing more. OH did I mention that since North Korea bombed South Korea and Adam being on GRF (global response force) that if his unit gets called he will have to be ready to deploy in 2 hours, and will be there in 13 hours, no warning, no clue when he will be back.

WHEN IT RAINS IT POURS. I really am trying to keep calm for Ian, but really, its hard with everything hitting the fan now. :S

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