Have you all seen this?

www. .org/Beware_Glider_Chat_Rooms2.htm

Sure, I've seen it. What I haven't seen is their credentials. My guess is that one of these mill breeders created the site to "back up" their stance that all of us thousands of glider owners that have been duped by them are incorrect.

Interesting article, Yes some things they said do occur such as bashing and opinions, but that is just the nature of people and their opinions. The same can happen with "licensed breeders" and veterinarians. Just because someone is licensed does not mean they know the information either.

that article makes me LOL. It screams that's its from a breeder with poor practices. I can see how someone could easily be brainwashed from that so I would recommend anyone who is still confused to call any vet that has extended experience with gliders. The glider care sheet my vet hands out with diets on it could probably be faxed if you requested it. It's not the best source but it's a start.

These breeders with "vets" who help them come up with diets like sugar gliders r us also give gliders with a "3 day guarantee and a certificate of health" saying if the glider dies of natural causes within 3 days they will refund it with another glider.

so why would a glider die within 3 days of natural causes if something wrong wasn't going on?

Also wanted to point out a few other things in the article:

"This article is a must-read for anyone who is thinking about owning a Sugar Glider. It is the result of hundreds of hours of research conducted on behalf of the North American Sugar Glider Association by licensed private investigators and their agents."

First of all, WHO is the North American Sugar Glider Association and what do licensed private investigators and their agents have to do with correct sugar glider information? No where does it say they are a licensed ANYTHING, who they are affiliated with (although I have a good idea), if they have any kind of credentials and they never even give documented examples of their accusations. They're angry they are being exposed for what they are-period. How dare people bash these "mill breeders" without knowing the truth. (That's sarcasm, by the way)

"In several cases examined during this investigation, following the care advice provided on these various Sugar Glider chat rooms and message boards – (none of which holds a USDA License) - appears to have directly resulted in the premature death of animals. To be clear, Sugar glider chat rooms and message boards are an “online community” which is not held to ANY standards of truthfulness, accuracy, or bias; and they cannot be considered a source of reliable information regarding the feeding and care of Sugar Gliders"

Ok, I'll bite...what are the examples? Proof? Just also wondering if this so-calledorganization is "held to ANY standards of truthfulness, accuracy, or bias" and how do we know they are a source of any reliable information? They have hundreds of hours into studying gliders? So do I! LOL

They use terms like "for example", "in many instances" and "in one case", "the following is an example". Well, WHAT instance? What case? Who? Where? When? Documentation? Names? Anything?

I could pay to have a website and write an article EXACTLY like this bashing and warning about fake organizations created to bash chat rooms. It's stupid. Period.

Here's my favorite sentence out of the ENTIRE page:

"The most common scenario was to single out a particular person or entity; (usually a Federally-licensed Sugar Glider breeding facility) – and regardless of their actual, documented record – immediately label them as a “Glider Mill”."

Hmmmmmm Interesting.

Edited to correct my bolding

"in almost every case it appears as though these people also suffer from a condition known as Pathological Internet Use."

I thought this WAS therapy...now I need more? I'm running to call them....if I can...just...tear...myself...away...from...this....computer!!! Nope, couldn't do it. Guess they're right!

I do need to go make my kids lunch, do some laundry, go to the grocery and tend to my life outside of cyberspace so I will come back later to continue my therapy...

lol that's too funny!!!!

quote:

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Unlike ANY other website, chatroom or message-board dedicated to Sugar Gliders, the North American Sugar Glider Association™ (NASGA™) “sells” NOTHING – directly or indirectly to our members. We also do not accept ”links” or advertisements of any kind.

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But they have web links right on the front page where they sell everything including gliders.

OMG!!! You mean this is a sickness???? And addiction??? Well, let me tell you, I have been here everyday for two whole years and I do NOT believe it!!! I am NOT addicted!!! NOT, I tell you, NOT!!

My thoughts are someone out there doesnt want their customers and potential customers to know they truth. That would mean $$$ out of their pockets.

Im supposed to be at the library right now, BUT IM NOT ADDICTED!

and that page, yea, it made me giggle a little bit. They smell like money.

They also have glider university as one of their resources. I wouldnt trust that website at all.

Rumor has it that the organization that wrote the article in question is Perfect Pocket Pets. Makes sense to me.

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You know we don't always give the right advice but with so many views we gain a great cross section of what people thnk is right. Also people can look further to find out the truth. I think this forum in particular has helped me heaps and its great that we all have different ideas cause with out them this forum would be boring.

before I found this site I would have been fascinated with the pettingzoo site but now it just makes me want to cry knowing what bad info most breeders give just to make a $$