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evenkeelexotics BANNED   17 Posts <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Rita</i> <br />Here is the first misleading and potentially deadly post: <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Exotics Pet Owners: Have you tried any of the foods from Pet Pro Products? They have a patented process that allow them to create a pellet with minimal preservatives, reducing smell and prolonging life. Mention Zak Keeler and get 10% .<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> You are advertising a poor diet. Would you please post the ingredients of these pellets? Im sure we will all see they are not high quality, do not have enough protein and CA:PA ratios are not correct. There is no mention of fruits and veggies. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> I do not advertise that as a complete diet. That is an ad for a pellet. Anyone who has bought a glider off of me can tell you that I spend upwards of an hour per person explaining proper care. I also encourage people to stay in contact with me if they have any questions. Kozi Fuzzy Wuzzy   WI, USA 1278 Posts <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by evenkeelexotics</i> <br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Rita</i> <br />Here is the first misleading and potentially deadly post: <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Exotics Pet Owners: Have you tried any of the foods from Pet Pro Products? They have a patented process that allow them to create a pellet with minimal preservatives, reducing smell and prolonging life. Mention Zak Keeler and get 10% .<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> You are advertising a poor diet. Would you please post the ingredients of these pellets? Im sure we will all see they are not high quality, do not have enough protein and CA:PA ratios are not correct. There is no mention of fruits and veggies. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> I do not advertise that as a complete diet. That is an ad for a pellet. Anyone who has bought a glider off of me can tell you that I spend upwards of an hour per person explaining proper care. I also encourage people to stay in contact with me if they have any questions. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> But you tell them to mainly feed yogurt and fruit/veggies only on some days..? That isn't that great of a diet by the standards of most here. evenkeelexotics BANNED 17 Posts <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Kozi Gliders</i> <br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by evenkeelexotics</i> <br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Kozi Gliders</i> <br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by evenkeelexotics</i> <br />You're more than welcome to come see all of my gliders and their setups. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> Maybe if you could focus long enough to reply. DO you have lineages on ANY of them? I don't need to come to MI to see that. Also at what age do you sell the joeys? Also something called a camera can save me a plane ticket, generally. But you're not answering much I ask so I doubt that'd happen. Why did you post here if you only pick and choose what you care to reply to? It's a waste of your time and ours. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> I have better things to do than defend myself against someone who has no idea how i operate. I get regular inspection by my vet Dr. TIm Reichard who was the head vet of the Toledo Zoo for over 20 years. I answer to him and My USDA inspector who was just here last week. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> Which means you have something to hide if you won't answer simple questions about your suggies.. If you're expecting people to buy them you should be an open book. ): <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> I keep lineages on the lues and mosaics. not on the standards and whiteface. All of my gliders are at least 9 week oop before I sell them. evenkeelexotics BANNED 17 Posts <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Kozi Gliders</i> <br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by evenkeelexotics</i> THe pellet I Feed them is comparable to the pellet from exotics nutrition. Here is the pellet pet-pro.com/Happy%20Glider%20Breeder.html
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> We are saying a PELLET isn't a real diet, not that your pellet specifically is bad. Also why do you ignore questions directed at you? ): <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> Error, missing URL.
l evenkeelexotics BANNED 17 Posts <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Rita</i> <br />Also, Ive only read two pages of your FaceBook site, but Im getting the impression you are not doing a good job of educating new owners on how to feed the animals they are getting from you. Several have posted the question after they have purchased an animal from you.... <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> I do not spend a lot of time online and you can see that most of my responses to post are. "please give me a call 419-202-1903". Most of my time is spent on the phone. That is where I choose to educate people. evenkeelexotics BANNED 17 Posts I know you guys believe you are doing the world a great service by "exposing" an evil glider mill but I assure you I am well educated and experienced. If anyone wants to purchase a glider feel free to call. At that point I will have no problem sharing my information with you. This is what I do for a living. I have a small amount of glider; less than thirty. My room is clean and spacious and people are generally happy with the gliders and other animals they purchase from me. Again, I am not the best at replying online so if any one would like to call then I would be more than happy to debate this with you. 419-202-1903 Tikisuggs Glider 119 Posts <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by evenkeelexotics</i> <br />I know you guys believe you are doing the world a great service by "exposing" an evil glider mill but I assure you I am well educated and experienced. If anyone wants to purchase a glider feel free to call. At that point I will have no problem sharing my information with you. This is what I do for a living. I have a small amount of glider; less than thirty. My room is clean and spacious and people are generally happy with the gliders and other animals they purchase from me. Again, I am not the best at replying online so if any one would like to call then I would be more than happy to debate this with you. 419-202-1903 <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> I cannot believe this person! He is just using this site to market his sugar gliders and the "food" he thinks is good for sugar gliders. I cant believe people like this. Makes me very sad to think that an animal is not properly cared for. evenkeelexotics BANNED 17 Posts I would love to have the time to sit online a type out paragraphs of info for people but the reality is that I don't. I have a family and other responsibilities. I take over 50 phone calls and even more emails a day with people asking for info on gliders. I simply do not have the time to respond to everyone in text. I can talk much faster than I can type. evenkeelexotics BANNED 17 Posts <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by 1989jeremy</i> <br />*smh* i smell a snake lol. things people do for money. this is why its so hard to trust people with anything these days. I think if you answer the questions people ask when you do post itll be alot easier for everybody instead of basically saying the same thing over and over <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> Check out the reviews on my facebook page. Believe it or not, people are actually happy with the service I provide. <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by evenkeelexotics</i> <br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by 1989jeremy</i> <br />*smh* i smell a snake lol. things people do for money. this is why its so hard to trust people with anything these days. I think if you answer the questions people ask when you do post itll be alot easier for everybody instead of basically saying the same thing over and over <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> Check out the reviews on my facebook page. Believe it or not, people are actually happy with the service I provide. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> I agree with the 'or not' portion of that statement. Very hard to believe considering how much bad information you seem to support, not to mention that awful PPP video. Essika Face Hugger ON, CA 581 Posts <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by evenkeelexotics</i> <br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by 1989jeremy</i> <br />*smh* i smell a snake lol. things people do for money. this is why its so hard to trust people with anything these days. I think if you answer the questions people ask when you do post itll be alot easier for everybody instead of basically saying the same thing over and over <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> Check out the reviews on my facebook page. Believe it or not, people are actually happy with the service I provide. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> Peope also thought cigarettes were healthy. Most people are sheep and will believe what they are told unconditionally, regardless of how dumb it seems... You're just proving our point by not actually replying. It just seems like you have something to hide... Gliders are sap sucking animals who need fruit and veggies more than a few days a week... I can show you what a diet like yours does... You can come here and see my precious baby, Nova, cold and dead from a diet consisting mainly of pellets... Actually her diet in her previous home matched yours almost exactly. You are a joke and poor excuse of a breeder... nevermind what kind of a person you are.
Some photos from our members I bought some gliders from this man, and was very angry at myself after. I was not impressed at all by this man. His gliders were in horrible health, I bought 4 from him. one has hlp because of the pellet diet, 2 of the gliders tails are in horrible shape (loss of fur at the ends), one is halfway gone and curls under permanently. Assuming because they were bored and self mutilated. The "set up" given to me was 2 plastic tub like things (one with a rusty S hook attached to it), 4 plastic dishes with chew marks all over, 2 small bunny water bottles and a 2X3X2 cage... split in half by a plastic sheet, 2 on one side, 2 on the other... the cage had guillotine doors, looked as if it was starting to rust and no toys, no poles to climb... nothing. (also had to give it a good cleaning because for some reason their was old pin needles in it?) When I confronted him about the health of the gliders (throught text message) he said and I quote "the gliders you got were breeders not pet quality. thats why they have problems with their tails and stuff" I go you failed to mention the quality of gliders I was buying. I thought I was getting 2 pairs of gliders not gliders in poor health. "the gliders are completely healthy. when you breed sugar gliders you get babies that are missing tail or limb from time to time. most people don't want them as pets so you keep them as breeders" I go will she be able to use her leg again, will their tails grow back? so your saying they will be okay? Being that they were born this way does it mean they were imbread? "their tails will not grow back but nipped tails are very comman. they are not deformed. all this happened after they were born when they were only a half inch big" I was pretty angry at this point and stopped talking to the man because he was pulling things out of his you know what... sorry it's so long. I'd post it in the thread for everyone to know but I don't feel like arguing with the man. If you look on his facebook to me it seems he has TOO many animals to take care of them all properly. And only does it for the money. I'm out of time right now but I have more to share later. Thank you for reading. country_gliders Glider 51 Posts Ive had gliders for a while now, I received a couple gliders a few months back that were very over weight, they passed on from liver issues. Then I received a male that was virtually hairless, he also passed. More recently I have gotten the 2 boys I currently have. <all these were rescues> I do parrot rescue and sometimes people surrender other pets. Anyway, I really enjoy the gliders. And I have 3 nice glider cages, and would love to give a home to more gliders...so I put out an ad, looking for another glider or two. Anyway now that I rambled...I received a few warnings about this *ZAC* person. a few being on facebook, as I asked his fees on his babies. Which one may be from the person who all ready posted, so I wont bother c/ping that warning. But this was in my email. Mind you, this person is rude to me, as they were asking for $300 for the gliders in question, and I was looking to pay less, and for one that was no longer wanted...so dont mind the rudeness... ~~~ I hope your getting from zak. They will be sick, require a vet visit and probably the male will be sterile just like my friends. I try to warn everybody. The 300 I am charging is because I put 100 into the cage 150 in vet bills to make sure they are healthy and 200 into buying them. I have a lot invested in this economy but I went highend. I have sugar gliders that cost me 1000 each for great lineage. Because I want quality animals and only sell quality animals. A lot of people have gone to him cause he charges 100 for a pair that are sick, stained and usually so inbred that they are sterile. ~~~ Just thought I should put this out there too...so doesnt look like EVERYONE is happy with your service as you stated. sbear3s Face Hugger 745 Posts
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just seeing a few seconds makes me feel ill
after two months she has gotten a lot better and he is still taking some time, however, this picture was taken a couple of weeks ago and he looks considerably better even tonight, but doesn't feel like allowing me to take a picture!