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wildlifeangel Glider   MN, USA 71 Posts I am talking about the situation that many raccoon rehabilitators find necessary. Raccoons need to be released in groups of 40 or so animals so that they are able to protect eachother. The method that they use is to rub a tiny amount of vicks vapor-rub on their noses so that they cannot smell eachother during the intro. They are NOT kept wet, nor is food withheld from them at the time. I am a USDA licensed breeder, and I breed because people deserve animals that have been raised properly and have lineage. 90% of the gliders in the US come from mill breeders, for us to stop breeding would be detrimental to the species and we would have all the gliders coming from mills. Rescues mostly come from mills as well... at one point or another. Breeders are here to promote the health and well-being of the species. It also sounds like Ed has WAY too many gliders in his care... 2 people caring for 90+ gliders is absurd and he really needs to think about not taking in so many of them. wildlifeangel Glider MN, USA 71 Posts plus, in the wild, ANY animal will avoid being out in the rain, they may go days without eating if the rain is bad. Plus there is the fact that their fur is made to repel water... and it could be harmful in the long term... things like Rain rot. It is a poor intruction method that should never be used. Cruelty is a given with this situation, no matter how much one intends to deny it. wildlifeangel Glider MN, USA 71 Posts OMG, so you have given a death sentence to ALL of the raccoons you have ever released! Raccoons NEED to have a clan. If they are alone, the resident clan WILL kill them. I am not a raccoon rehabber, but I know the best, and they are where I get my info. They are very careful about the location of release... I can't believe that you know so little about raccoons as to actually believe they are fine alone. You must be one of the idiots who thinks that relocating them is a good idea as well.. BUT this is not a post about raccoons... this is about the cruelty happening to gliders. You don't know * about raccoons, so shut your mouth. Wildlifeangel, feel free to drop the attitude and get back on topic.
I want one toooooooooooooo! Snoopy86406 Glider AZ, USA 116 Posts quote:
Originally posted by Catman
What happens in Australia when it rains for a few days in a row?
Gliders get WET.
Excuse me, but these animals have never lived in Australia. The ones we have in our homes now, are used to central heat and air. They have never gotten wet. They are not used to rain. When was the last time you left your glider in the rain. Let's use some common sense here. Snoopy86406 Glider AZ, USA 116 Posts [quote] Originally posted by shadow kuro i think he means who is trying to do this not who ed is. and maybe instead of trying take down someone who is trying to help gliders and educate people about them you should put this energy into taking down bad/mill breeders. that would be a lot more helpful then trying to shut down a rescue. [/quote Just because he says he's helping gliders, doesn't mean his ways are right. BindiAndScrubbie Glider 55 Posts kyro298 Glider Sprinkles    CO, USA 15262 Posts quote:
Originally posted by wildlifeangel
The method is cruel... and there are people currently looking into getting your 501-3c stripped from you, as cruelty is NOT acceptable.
Wow, really!? Now this "community" is going to try to take down a legitimate rescue?? MY GOD...we were just told not that long ago that although we may not agree with VIRGIL KLUNDER and his business practices, he is still a good PERSON. Can someone sit here and honestly say Ed is not a good person?! Now he's going to be lynched while people like Virgil get cut slack? This is the most pathetic thing I've ever seen come out of this community. I remember reading something to the effect that until we've met Virgil in person and looked him in the eye, we wouldn't understand that he is a real person, with real feelings, a real family and a genuinely caring person. I've met Ed, sat down with him and had a real conversation face to face...have you?? In 4 years...4 YEARS...and being here almost every single day. THIS is the first time EVER I've been in tears. NO EXAGGERATION! The good Ed and Gail HAVE done is suddenly NOTHING? He's done more than almost every person here screaming "off with his head!" The only thing all this whining, bitching, moaning, screaming, condescending and fighting has done has caused people to petition and try to get a RESCUE shut down? Impressive. I wish this "passion" and energy were around all the time in the areas it's so desperately needed. Do I agree with the "method"? No! Would I recommend it to someone? No! Do I hate Ed now? HELL NO! Are you seriously saying shutting him down would be a BENEFIT?! For all of you using the "how dare you let newbies think this is OK", get your asses over to this forum on a regular basis and HELP OUT FOR GOD'S SAKE. YOU BE HERE AND LET PEOPLE KNOW THE PROPER WAY YOU THINK INTROS SHOULD BE DONE. YOU BE HERE WITH NEW PEOPLE JOINING IN DROVES AND HELP OUT! Maybe you would have been able to offer alternatives to people desperate to try anything to get their gliders together. After all, we preach and preach about how they HAVE to be together since they're colony animals. Your stupid ass personality clashes and stubbornness benefits who again? It sure as HELL is not the newbies, not the gliders and most certainly not this community. It's a shame how hypocrisy runs rampant in this so-called community as well. THAT's what makes me sick to MY stomach. GG is the redheaded step-child forum online because you've all allowed it to be that way. I'm so sick of tip-toeing around on other forums so as not to be blacklisted but you know what? I don't care anymore. You are out of line trying to get Ed's license "stripped". It's going TOO far. You don't agree with this method? FINE! WE GET IT! Be constructive and EDUCATE about your reasoning then. Do you realize he's the only one that CALMLY responds? Who do you think people will naturally WANT to take advice from? You'll spend ALL DAY on here arguing until your blue in the face. How many other threads did you respond to while you were here trying to help out and offer your opinions and "expertise"? Just wondering... Yep, Kylah finally snapped! ...and let's just be FAIR to people that do not know Ed. He has contributed PLENTY to this community. Here's a thread where he outlines his recommendations for intros: http://www.sugarglider.com/glidergossip/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=25918
He put this info out for the general public: http://www.sugarglider.com/glidergossip/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=26027&whichpage=1
Learn more about him before judging him as all the wonderful names I've seen described for him here and elsewhere: http://www.sugarglider.com/journal/LuckyGlider/LGRS_LINKS_381.asp
By all means, this is a person we should have ousted from this community! BindiAndScrubbie Glider 55 Posts quote:
Originally posted by WintersSong
Wild gliders are not quite the same as captive gliders. Wild gliders are used to the elements -- our gliders are not. Big difference, IMO.
But since you brought it up, tell me, would wild gliders have mouthwash put on their cloaca??
Thank you, Sara. Gliders in the wild have a CHOICE to not stand out in the torrential downpour. A choice to not stand out there with foreign gliders that they would normally not colonize with. There is a reason gliders do not live very long in the wild. For all we know, one of the reasons could very well be wet environment. I mean this is neither a here nor there really, we are talking about a stress inducing 'method' which is cruel and insane. In my opinion, you should be ashamed of yourself for not only doing this treatment but for promoting it and publisizing it. You are endorsing it to hundreds of new owners and let's face it, many of these new owners will bypass the hard, time consuming way and jump right into your way. This post has now taken a very childish turn and gone into something totally off topic. I truly hope you take down your 'method' from public view. It's appauling and could end up causing harm. If you are a 'rescuer' than you should be promoting nothing but help, not potential harm. Does this method really say 'rescue' to you? Really? Think about what you are 'putting out there' for newbies to recieve.
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