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Feb 03 2010
03:00:48 PM
LuckyGlider Zippy Glidershorts GliderMap Visit LuckyGlider's Photo Album LuckyGlider's Journal TX, USA 5266 Posts
Will you guys do a favor and go to this site to rate the LGRS suggie soup recipe? Thanks, Ed

http://www.sugargliderhelp.com/links/pages/Sugar_Glider_Care___Information/Diet___Nutrition/index.html
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Feb 03 2010
03:57:44 PM
kyro298 Glider Sprinkles GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit kyro298's Photo Album kyro298's Journal CO, USA 15262 Posts
Done! :)
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Feb 03 2010
04:11:27 PM
Anonymous - 4 Posts
it shouldnt be about getting ratings.
it should be about whats best for the glider. begging for ratings is going to make me less likely to use the diet. i dont want to see ratings based on a simple glance i want ratings based on using the diet.
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Feb 03 2010
04:31:07 PM
shadow Goofy Gorillatoes GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit shadow's Photo Album MO, USA 2332 Posts
quote:
Originally posted by LuckyGlider

Will you guys do a favor and go to this site to rate the LGRS suggie soup recipe? Thanks, Ed

http://www.sugargliderhelp.com/links/pages/Sugar_Glider_Care___Information/Diet___Nutrition/index.html


i dont mind rating your recipe and ill do it in a minute.
first of all if your going to say something like that dont do it as anonymous. or im less likly to take you seriously and if you really believe what your saying then you shouldnt have to hide who you are. i bet you didnt even click on the link its for a product review site. and its good that me post the link here so that more people are aware of sugargliderhelp.com i like it. and if someone just uses a recipe and only looks at the ratings then they arent a good glider owner to begin with. you should always look at the nutrition values yourself. and the LRGS diet is a great diet and he has put alot of work into it to make sure its as good as possible.
and he isnt begging he is asking for a favor to go rate this and we all owe him to do this for all the advice he gives and questions he anwsers over and over again. and for all the abused homeless gliders he takes in. and you dont have to use a diet to know how good it is. just by looking at what it uses and the results that people have by using it gives you a pretty good idea how well it works. and maybe some people just like sticking to what they are feeding their glider but know that another recipe is just as good its just another way to do it.
sorry for the rant just cant stand people who insult good people and dont even know what they are talking about.
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Feb 03 2010
04:36:07 PM
Anonymous - 4 Posts
stand by what i said
i want ratings based on use of the diet not just what a person thinks or because they were told to rate it
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Feb 03 2010
04:54:00 PM
shadow Goofy Gorillatoes GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit shadow's Photo Album MO, USA 2332 Posts
but if your in this thread then you most likly have either read what the diet is about or use it. if a person does what you said in your post then they need to start learning to think for themselves and have only themselves to blame for that. and if he had not said something about rating his recipe i wouldn't have been aware that he has just posted it on there same for other people too. and i will be using this diet as soon as i can get the stuff. and he uses this on dozens of gliders since he runs a rescue im sure if the diet wasnt any good he would know by now. and if you would read the thread you would see that he had help from vets and has changed it to make it better a few times.
sorry for getting the thread off track. its obvious this person wont listen to a word im saying....umm typing lol.
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Feb 03 2010
05:02:15 PM
kyro298 Glider Sprinkles GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit kyro298's Photo Album kyro298's Journal CO, USA 15262 Posts
quote:
Originally posted by Anonymous

it shouldnt be about getting ratings.
it should be about whats best for the glider. begging for ratings is going to make me less likely to use the diet. i dont want to see ratings based on a simple glance i want ratings based on using the diet.



I do use it and I love it...as do my gliders. No one is begging for anything. This thread is for this particular recipe. I have no problem rating it as after seeing all the background, data and research that has gone into it, I have chosen to use it and have every right to rate it. Rate what you feed how you want. We'll rate what we feed how we want.

One more thing...he didn't ask us HOW to rate it. He asked us TO rate it. Why wouldn't someone want their diet rated when THAT'S WHAT THAT AREA IS THERE FOR...good or bad?

Edited by - kyro298 on Feb 03 2010 05:12:57 PM
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Feb 03 2010
05:58:27 PM
LuckyGlider Zippy Glidershorts GliderMap Visit LuckyGlider's Photo Album LuckyGlider's Journal TX, USA 5266 Posts
quote:
Originally posted by Anonymous

it shouldnt be about getting ratings.
it should be about whats best for the glider. begging for ratings is going to make me less likely to use the diet. i dont want to see ratings based on a simple glance i want ratings based on using the diet.



I undertand your sentiment

Please understand ours....

1. This diet is an "open book." Unlike a lot of the popular diets out there, we actually publish a nutritional analysis associated with it. So how many makers of "popular" glider diets do you know, mr/ms anonymous that have even bothered to do that? Most of them are in fact based simply on popularity and internet myth.

2. Umm, yeah what's good for the gliders is why we spent years researching this. you either want to take advantage of that or you don't. So go ahead and try it and rate it good or bad.

3. What we are "begging for" is input good or bad. This diet is in its third iteration as a result of excellent input from vets, pet owners and our own observations at the rescue.

4. If what you say is true about doing what's best for your gliders, then look at the analysis, try it and compare it to other diets. In fact, get the nutritional analysis of other diets (if they are actually available), and take them all to your vet and ask which ones are worth trying.

5. As a 501(c)3 public charity we are quite accustomed to groveling and begging So yeah we do a lot of begging to keep the doors open. Sorry, kinda comes with the territory

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Feb 04 2010
12:09:47 PM
nurseotter Glider GliderMap Visit nurseotter's Photo Album TX, USA 85 Posts
Who cares what "anonymous" says? If he or she is too chicken to use their name, then their opinion shouldn't matter. I have used the soup, and I am glad to rate it a 5! I am glad he set up a rating system so I can get my opinion out there....
Audra
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Feb 04 2010
12:40:01 PM
LuckyGlider Zippy Glidershorts GliderMap Visit LuckyGlider's Photo Album LuckyGlider's Journal TX, USA 5266 Posts
quote:
Originally posted by nurseotter

Who cares what "anonymous" says? If he or she is too chicken to use their name, then their opinion shouldn't matter. I have used the soup, and I am glad to rate it a 5! I am glad he set up a rating system so I can get my opinion out there....
Audra



Thanks for trying the recipe and of course your kind words.

I am OK with people posting anonymously and wish to get input from everyone on this diet. Even if people post anonymously.

An interesting fact about most of the popular diets out there is that it is difficult to get an honest, intelligent dialog going with some of the makers.

We have been met with arrogance or indifference when we have asked for nutritional analysis or explanations of why certain things are high or low, etc.

We pledged to not be like that when we decided to publish the LGRS suggie soup recipe.

It has changed over time and it has changed to be better for the animals. But the changes are only possible if we are open-minded and seek input from everyone. Even people who are motivated to hide their identity. Even they may have something useful to say that could influence the next update of the recipe.
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Feb 08 2010
03:38:41 PM
fleetfox Joey 19 Posts
I made this for the first time today. But, I accidentally put 1 cup of yogurt instead of 1/4! Is that too much yogurt in the batch?
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Feb 08 2010
07:02:58 PM
LuckyGlider Zippy Glidershorts GliderMap Visit LuckyGlider's Photo Album LuckyGlider's Journal TX, USA 5266 Posts
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Originally posted by fleetfox

I made this for the first time today. But, I accidentally put 1 cup of yogurt instead of 1/4! Is that too much yogurt in the batch?



Should not be a problem for this batch. You can add some water to thin it out a little if it is too thick.

Let us know if you have any other questions.
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Feb 08 2010
09:11:09 PM
fleetfox Joey 19 Posts
Yep, another question. I used a large egg because I can't find small eggs anywhere. Is that too much cholesterol?

Thanks for all the help btw!
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Feb 08 2010
09:38:17 PM
josefine Face Hugger GliderMap IA, USA 416 Posts
everyone who knows me knows i don't always have it 'upstairs',i can't figure out how to read the chart on papaya vs mango,which Eric supplied for us on the public recipe thread w/in this topic. can someone please help me out?
josefine
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Feb 09 2010
01:21:40 PM
LuckyGlider Zippy Glidershorts GliderMap Visit LuckyGlider's Photo Album LuckyGlider's Journal TX, USA 5266 Posts
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Originally posted by fleetfox

Yep, another question. I used a large egg because I can't find small eggs anywhere. Is that too much cholesterol?

Thanks for all the help btw!



One large egg should be ok. Try to use small or medium next time if you can
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Feb 09 2010
01:50:42 PM
LuckyGlider Zippy Glidershorts GliderMap Visit LuckyGlider's Photo Album LuckyGlider's Journal TX, USA 5266 Posts
quote:
Originally posted by josefine

everyone who knows me knows i don't always have it 'upstairs',i can't figure out how to read the chart on papaya vs mango,which Eric supplied for us on the public recipe thread w/in this topic. can someone please help me out?
josefine




Josephine, I think if you are referring to the example recipe here:

http://www.sugarglider.com/nutrition/viewrecipe.asp?item=15


If this is correct, then I don't think it is about papaya VERSUS mango as much as it is about papaya WITH mango.

I am not sure what you are trying to understand, but if it is the nutritional analysis, all you have to do is scroll down the page all the way, and the recipe will show you the break-down of proteins, minerals, vitamins, etc. and will show you how much of each protein, mineral, etc. is in each of the ingredients.

Let's take a look at the sample recipe (ignore the grapes, we now have evidence from vets that grapes should not be fed): The following screen shot is what a recipe looks like at the TOP of the screen. Note how each ingredient has its own color code. That color-code shows up in the nutritional analysis section so it is easier to see the make-up of each part:




Here you can see that eric has both Papayas and Mangos in his recipe.

As you can see, he has chosen grams sat he unit of measurement for each item.

He is indicating 50 units of papaya which is the same as saying 50 grams.

Now, here is a view of the "pop-up" detail when you mouse-over a specific mineral:







Now if you scoll further down in the recipe you can hover your mouse over each mineral or vitamin, etc. and you will see a "pop-up" window that tells you how each ingredient contributes to that particular mineral or vitamin. In this screen shot, we are looking at what it has to say about Calcium. Here you can see in the pop-up window that Papaya is yielding 12mg of Calcium which happens to account for 70.2% of the entire recipe.





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Feb 10 2010
08:06:02 AM
fleetfox Joey 19 Posts

Only about a tablespoon was gone from the plate. Still getting used to it I suppose.
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Feb 10 2010
08:07:40 PM
LuckyGlider Zippy Glidershorts GliderMap Visit LuckyGlider's Photo Album LuckyGlider's Journal TX, USA 5266 Posts
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Originally posted by fleetfox


Only about a tablespoon was gone from the plate. Still getting used to it I suppose.




Offer them soup and always a relish or other mixed veggies/fruit/meat on the side. There will be waste. If they consistently only eat a tablespoon, then only offer a tablespoon. how much they eat depends on what else they are eating and their weight. Always offer soup no matter what else you feed. When you feed things on the side, sometimes you have to blend it so they will eat all of what you have offered. They only metabolize what they eat...
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Feb 11 2010
07:18:11 PM
LuckyGlider Zippy Glidershorts GliderMap Visit LuckyGlider's Photo Album LuckyGlider's Journal TX, USA 5266 Posts
quote:
Originally posted by josefine

everyone who knows me knows i don't always have it 'upstairs',i can't figure out how to read the chart on papaya vs mango,which Eric supplied for us on the public recipe thread w/in this topic. can someone please help me out?
josefine



Hi we tried to answer your question above on the recipe and the papaya and mango. If you are still unsure you can call us and we can walk you through it on the phone (toll-free): 877-504-5145 we are in the pacific time zone.



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Feb 12 2010
04:19:04 PM
fleetfox Joey 19 Posts

Yeah, I always give a mix of fruits and vegetables along with the soup.
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Feb 12 2010
05:25:09 PM
LuckyGlider Zippy Glidershorts GliderMap Visit LuckyGlider's Photo Album LuckyGlider's Journal TX, USA 5266 Posts
quote:
Originally posted by fleetfox


Yeah, I always give a mix of fruits and vegetables along with the soup.



Sounds great. Try to make little notes over the next week of exactly how much of each part they are eating. They will settle in to a routine of eating and when you get consistent results of how much soup they are eating you can adjust the amount.
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Feb 12 2010
05:54:38 PM
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Isn't there a way of eliminating the anonymous thing? Why do we need it anyway? If people have something to say they should have the guts to just say it as themselves, sheesh this is such an irritation.

Ed, I haven't used this diet, so I can't rate it, but I do respect all that you do for suggies.
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Feb 13 2010
05:58:50 PM
LuckyGlider Zippy Glidershorts GliderMap Visit LuckyGlider's Photo Album LuckyGlider's Journal TX, USA 5266 Posts
quote:
Originally posted by PW

Isn't there a way of eliminating the anonymous thing? Why do we need it anyway? If people have something to say they should have the guts to just say it as themselves, sheesh this is such an irritation.

Ed, I haven't used this diet, so I can't rate it, but I do respect all that you do for suggies.



Many thanks. We have made changes to it over the years and we think we are pretty close to optimal on the soup. It has been very effective in getting malnourished gliders into a good, healthy state. Some people may need to cut back on portions after their gliders fatten up, but so long as they are getting plenty of out-of-cage exercise, there is no problem. All of the pets on this diet get more exercise than the rescues and only two out of 16 are "fat."

Some people are afraid to say things while letting people know who they are. I am not against anonymous postings so long as what's being posted has some value.

So far, we are getting valuable feedback on the suggie soup recipe and this is good because that will help us to improve it over time.
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Feb 13 2010
06:40:42 PM
Rita Glider Sprinkles GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit Rita's Photo Album Rita's Journal MO, USA 12214 Posts
Ed, there is no Trader Joe's anywhere close to me. Can you substitute any protein powder? Since my weight loss surgery, I use either Unjury or Isopure brands and both are very high quality powders.
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Feb 14 2010
03:49:40 PM
LuckyGlider Zippy Glidershorts GliderMap Visit LuckyGlider's Photo Album LuckyGlider's Journal TX, USA 5266 Posts
quote:
Originally posted by Rita

Ed, there is no Trader Joe's anywhere close to me. Can you substitute any protein powder? Since my weight loss surgery, I use either Unjury or Isopure brands and both are very high quality powders.



Dear Rita, yes there are suitable replacements for the Trader Darwins. We have analyzed and approved the Arnold's Choice Possum Milk Replacer and it can be ordered on line:

www.sugar-gliders.com/possum-milk-replacer.htm

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Mar 15 2010
10:59:29 PM
Goldwinger Fuzzy Wuzzy GliderMap Visit Goldwinger's Photo Album Goldwinger's Journal VA, USA 1369 Posts


Thought this could us a BUMP!
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Mar 22 2010
10:03:07 PM
josefine Face Hugger GliderMap IA, USA 416 Posts
sorry to be bringing this all up again,but i went to Campbell's nutrition & they had the bottled papaya & mango juice. they did not list calcium to be in it.so,is it really all that good for them(the juice from this company)? would there be another company that manufactures this, & leaves the calcium in it? when it comes to many topics,i am pretty dumb,(no doubt about that!!!) what happened to all the calcium when they bottled it,did it disintegrate out of them?
josefine
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May 06 2010
09:17:12 PM
Moriko Face Hugger GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit Moriko's Photo Album Moriko's Journal AL, USA 943 Posts
Just bought my online ingredients for my first batch after all of the stuff comes in. Pictures and maybe video with be taken. :D
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May 06 2010
09:32:57 PM
shadow Goofy Gorillatoes GliderMap Gliderpedia Editor Visit shadow's Photo Album MO, USA 2332 Posts
yaay! moriko. my boys love this a little to much. i now have to mix it with their fruits and veggies cause they will not eat them if i dont. and before that they would eat all of it. and is it just mine or does it usually turn out to be still kinda soft but really sticky even if you have just taken out of the deep freezer. my fruit and veggie cubes are frozen solid.
and i didnt make huge mess either. : ) almost forgot to put the lid on the blender once but notice just in time and stopped it XD and i had cooked the eggs first and set them next to the stove and completely forgot to put them in but thankfully i had just started to put it into the ice cube tray and fixed it.
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May 25 2010
11:54:24 PM
Flapjacknblossom2010 Glider Visit Flapjacknblossom2010's Photo Album 62 Posts
Can I ask how much of the protein powder you use in the Suggie Soup? Sorry, I'm new at this! Would rather be safe with a positive answer then guess and make my fuzz balls sick!

Thanks!
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